{"id":3305,"date":"2022-11-03T15:29:00","date_gmt":"2022-11-03T14:29:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/10.0.3.10\/?p=3305"},"modified":"2025-11-20T10:40:51","modified_gmt":"2025-11-20T09:40:51","slug":"podcast-neumlcani-autor-spisu-gorila-peter-holubek-prehovoril-o-korupcii","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/10.0.3.7\/en\/podcast-neumlcani-autor-spisu-gorila-peter-holubek-prehovoril-o-korupcii\/","title":{"rendered":"Podcast Neuml\u010dan\u00ed: Autor spisu Gorila Peter Hol\u00fabek prehovoril o korupcii"},"content":{"rendered":"<div data-elementor-type=\"wp-post\" data-elementor-id=\"3305\" class=\"elementor elementor-3305\" data-elementor-post-type=\"post\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-354cf60c elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"354cf60c\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-4fb60222\" data-id=\"4fb60222\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-106199cf elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"106199cf\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><\/p>\n<p>Kauza Gorila zatriasla v roku 2012 nielen politickou sc\u00e9nou, ale cel\u00fdm Slovenskom. Spis, ktor\u00fd niekto zverejnil na internete, obsahoval prepisy odposluchov vrcholov\u00fdch politikov a finan\u010dn\u00edkov. Hovor\u00ed sa v nich o \u00faplatkoch a korupcii na najvy\u0161\u0161\u00edch miestach v \u0161t\u00e1te.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>O autorovi spisu Petrovi Hol\u00fabekovi, ktor\u00fd na kauze pracoval v Slovenskej informa\u010dnej slu\u017ebe, vieme v\u0161ak napriek tomu m\u00e1lo. \u010co bolo jeho motiv\u00e1ciou? Ako pre\u017e\u00edval obdobie, kedy kauzu nikto nechcel rie\u0161i\u0165?<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>\u201cSf\u00e9ra spravodajsk\u00fdch slu\u017eieb je v takom \u00fapadku, \u017ee ke\u010f chcete robi\u0165 zmyslupln\u00fa pr\u00e1cu, mus\u00edte si to vym\u00fd\u0161\u013ea\u0165 s\u00e1m. Opakovane som sa stret\u00e1val s t\u00fdm, \u017ee moja pr\u00e1ca, aj pr\u00e1ca kolegov, bola zneu\u017e\u00edvan\u00e1. Nesta\u010dilo mi robi\u0165 nezmyseln\u00fa pr\u00e1cu a len \u010daka\u0165 do d\u00f4chodku,\u201d pribli\u017euje po rokoch Peter Hol\u00fabek v najnov\u0161ej epiz\u00f3de podcastu Neuml\u010dan\u00ed.<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>Ozva\u0165 sa v bezpe\u010dnostn\u00fdch zlo\u017ek\u00e1ch je ove\u013ea n\u00e1ro\u010dnej\u0161ie, preto\u017ee pr\u00edslu\u0161n\u00edci SIS s\u00fa viazan\u00ed pr\u00edsnou ml\u010danlivos\u0165ou. Ak teda chc\u00fa, podobne ako Hol\u00fabek, prehovori\u0165 o poru\u0161ovan\u00ed z\u00e1konov, s\u00fa paradoxne konfrontovan\u00ed s t\u00fdm, \u017ee sami poru\u0161uj\u00fa z\u00e1kon.<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>Pr\u00edslu\u0161n\u00edci spravodajsk\u00fdch slu\u017eieb s\u00fa vy\u0148at\u00ed aj z aktu\u00e1lneho znenia z\u00e1kona o ochrane oznamovate\u013eov protispolo\u010denskej \u010dinnosti. No kauza a vznik spisu Gorila boli \u0161iroko medializovan\u00e9 a pr\u00edbeh Petra Hol\u00fabeka m\u00e1 mnoho spolo\u010dn\u00fdch prvkov s pr\u00edbehmi oznamovate\u013eov &#8211; whistleblowerov.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>Aj Hol\u00fabek si pam\u00e4t\u00e1 na v\u00fdsmech svojho \u0161\u00e9fa, ke\u010f na neho apeloval, aby sa kauza rie\u0161ila. Tie\u017e na to, ako v de\u0148 jeho v\u00fdpovede nabehla do budovy desiatka ochrank\u00e1rov, aby ho vyprevadili z pr\u00e1ce.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>\u201eKe\u010f nie je pravda na ich strane, sk\u00fa\u0161aj\u00fa to na v\u00e1s silou,\u201d hovor\u00ed b\u00fdval\u00fd pracovn\u00edk SIS v podcaste Neuml\u010dan\u00ed, ktor\u00fd pre v\u00e1s pripravuje \u00darad na ochranu oznamovate\u013eov v produkcii denn\u00edka SME.<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-4fa1067 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"4fa1067\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-08adb8b\" data-id=\"08adb8b\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-6b4f346 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"6b4f346\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<iframe style=\"border-radius:12px\" src=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/embed\/episode\/38F52gEG9kSO9TNU7OkfBz?utm_source=generator\" width=\"100%\" height=\"152\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"\" allow=\"autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; fullscreen; picture-in-picture\" loading=\"lazy\"><\/iframe>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-fe45ec6 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"fe45ec6\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-f095b35\" data-id=\"f095b35\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-79acf68 elementor-widget elementor-widget-toggle\" data-id=\"79acf68\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"toggle.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-toggle\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-toggle-item\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div id=\"elementor-tab-title-1271\" class=\"elementor-tab-title\" data-tab=\"1\" role=\"button\" aria-controls=\"elementor-tab-content-1271\" aria-expanded=\"false\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"elementor-toggle-icon elementor-toggle-icon-left\" aria-hidden=\"true\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"elementor-toggle-icon-closed\"><i class=\"fas fa-caret-right\"><\/i><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"elementor-toggle-icon-opened\"><i class=\"elementor-toggle-icon-opened fas fa-caret-up\"><\/i><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a class=\"elementor-toggle-title\" tabindex=\"0\">Textov\u00fd prepis podcastu<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t<div id=\"elementor-tab-content-1271\" class=\"elementor-tab-content elementor-clearfix\" data-tab=\"1\" role=\"region\" aria-labelledby=\"elementor-tab-title-1271\"><p><strong>00:00:05,660 &#8211;&gt; 00:00:40,980 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Peter Hol\u00fabek je autorom spisu Gorila, ktor\u00fd zatriasol nielen politickou sc\u00e9nou, ale cel\u00fdm Slovenskom. Spis obsahuje prepisy odposluchov vrcholov\u00fdch politikov a finan\u010dn\u00edkov. Hovor\u00ed sa v nich o \u00faplatkoch a korupcii na najvy\u0161\u0161\u00edch miestach v \u0161t\u00e1te. Po\u010d\u00favate podcast Neuml\u010dan\u00ed, ktor\u00fd v\u00e1m prin\u00e1\u0161a rozhovory so slovensk\u00fdmi whistleblowermi, teda s \u013eu\u010fmi, ktor\u00ed odhalili vo svojej pr\u00e1ci korupciu \u010di in\u00e9 poru\u0161ovanie z\u00e1konov a postavili sa tak za spr\u00e1vnu vec. V\u010faka tomu, \u017ee neml\u010dali, ochr\u00e1nili verejn\u00fd z\u00e1ujem, teda z\u00e1ujmy n\u00e1s v\u0161etk\u00fdch. Moje meno je Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1 a tento podcast pre v\u00e1s vytv\u00e1ra \u00darad na ochranu oznamovate\u013eov v produkcii denn\u00edka Sme. Dobr\u00fd de\u0148, Peter.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:00:40,980 &#8211;&gt; 00:00:46,040 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Dobr\u00fd de\u0148.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:00:46,040 &#8211;&gt; 00:00:50,600 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Za\u010dali by sme teda va\u0161imi za\u010diatkami v SIS. Ko\u013eko ste mali rokov, ke\u010f ste tam nast\u00fapili?<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:00:50,600 &#8211;&gt; 00:00:53,780 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>24 alebo 25? Bolo to po z\u00e1kladnej vojenskej slu\u017ebe.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:00:53,780 &#8211;&gt; 00:00:58,260 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Vy ste mali prez\u00fdvku Mravec. Pre\u010do? Ako funguje vlastne pride\u013eovanie prez\u00fdvok?<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:00:58,260 &#8211;&gt; 00:01:00,400 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>V princ\u00edpe si to m\u00f4\u017eete ur\u010di\u0165 s\u00e1m.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:01:00,400 &#8211;&gt; 00:01:05,179 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>A viete n\u00e1m viac poveda\u0165, pre\u010do ste si vybrali Mravca a \u010di to bolo hne\u010f teda na prv\u00fd pokus?<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:01:05,180 &#8211;&gt; 00:01:13,340 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Jak si dobre spom\u00ednam, tak to bolo asi a\u017e na tret\u00ed pokus. Zo srandy som chcel by\u0165 aj Lexa z KS, ale to mi neviem pre\u010do neschv\u00e1lili.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:01:13,340 &#8211;&gt; 00:01:24,160 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ke\u010f sa vr\u00e1time do t\u00fdch \u010dias ako dvadsa\u0165\u0161tyriro\u010dn\u00fd vysoko\u0161kol\u00e1k \u010derstv\u00fd absolvent vysokej \u0161koly. \u010co ste \u0161tudovali? Ako ste zva\u017eovali, kam p\u00f4jdete pracova\u0165? \u010co v\u00e1s l\u00e1kalo na tej pr\u00e1ci v SIS?<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:01:24,160 &#8211;&gt; 00:01:43,080 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Vy\u0161tudoval som elektri\u010dkov\u00fa vysok\u00fa \u0161kolu, t\u00fa ekonomick\u00fa. No po nej som norm\u00e1lne nast\u00fapil na z\u00e1kladn\u00fa vojensk\u00fa slu\u017ebu a po nej som si zh\u00e1\u0148al nejak\u00fa pr\u00e1cu norm\u00e1lne na inzer\u00e1ty. Mal som mo\u017enos\u0165 pracova\u0165 aj u otca v takej strednej firme, ale to som ako\u017ee nechcel. No a dopad\u00e1 to takto. Ako to dopadne?<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:01:43,080 &#8211;&gt; 00:01:45,320 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>A \u010do v\u00e1s l\u00e1kalo teda na tej pr\u00e1ci v SIS?<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:01:45,320 &#8211;&gt; 00:01:54,560 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Nemysl\u00edm si, \u017ee ma nie\u010do l\u00e1kalo. Proste potreboval som nejak\u00e9 zamestnanie a ur\u010dite by som to neformuloval tak, \u017ee by ma tam nie\u010do l\u00e1kalo a \u017ee by som t\u00fa\u017eil by\u0165 nejak\u00fd spravodajca alebo nie\u010do tak\u00e9.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:01:54,560 &#8211;&gt; 00:02:03,820 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>A vy ste v nejak\u00fdch rozhovoroch aj hovorili, \u017ee ste zvykli by\u0165 v pr\u00e1ci aj do desiatej ve\u010der. \u010co v\u00e1s vtedy motivovalo, \u017ee ste vlastne aj tro\u0161ku obetovali ten s\u00fakromn\u00fd \u017eivot?<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:02:03,820 &#8211;&gt; 00:02:14,660 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Nejak\u00e1 tak\u00e1, tak\u00e9 presved\u010denie v tom \u010dase moje, \u017ee chcem porozumie\u0165 tomu syst\u00e9mu hej, do do nejakej v\u00e4\u010d\u0161ej h\u013abky a \u017ee vlastne toto je ten sp\u00f4sob ne? Som si vtedy myslel.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:02:14,660 &#8211;&gt; 00:02:20,300 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>A potom nesk\u00f4r. Ako sa teda zre\u00e1lnili va\u0161e o\u010dak\u00e1vania pr\u00e1ce v SIS?<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:02:20,300 &#8211;&gt; 00:02:54,380 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u010casom som zistil, \u017ee veci, ktor\u00e9 som nejak\u00fdm sp\u00f4sobom rozpracoval, boli zneu\u017e\u00edvan\u00e9. Samozrejme, nemal som na to nejak\u00e9 konkr\u00e9tne d\u00f4kazy, len som sa to nejak dozvedel od tret\u00edch str\u00e1n alebo proste z m\u00e9di\u00ed, alebo z toho, ako nejak\u00fd konkr\u00e9tny pr\u00edpad dopadol. \u010ci\u017ee vlastne stret\u00e1val som sa opakovane s t\u00fdm, \u017ee vlastne aj moja pr\u00e1ca, ale samozrejme, \u017ee aj in\u00fdch kolegov bola zneu\u017e\u00edvan\u00e1. Ale hlavne, proste som zis\u0165oval \u010d\u00edm \u010falej t\u00fdm viac, \u017ee vlastne to, na \u010do je t\u00e1 in\u0161tit\u00facia vytvoren\u00e1, to znamen\u00e1 nejak\u00e1 ochrana z\u00e1ujmov krajiny, konkr\u00e9tne v mojom pr\u00edpade to malo by\u0165 ekonomick\u00fdch z\u00e1ujmov, ke\u010f\u017ee som p\u00f4sobil na tak\u00fdch zlo\u017ek\u00e1ch, tak v podstate, \u017ee neexistuje.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:02:54,380 &#8211;&gt; 00:03:08,660 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>To ste viackr\u00e1t povedali u\u017e verejne, \u017ee vlastne neexistuje nie\u010do ako \u0161t\u00e1tny z\u00e1ujem. Keby ste to mali pribl\u00ed\u017ei\u0165 posluch\u00e1\u010dom, ak\u00fd teda z\u00e1ujem existuje? S \u010d\u00edm ste sa vy osobne aj stretli pri tej pr\u00e1ci? \u017de ak\u00e9 z\u00e1ujmy sa, keby ste mo\u017eno vedeli na nejakom pr\u00edklade poveda\u0165.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:03:08,660 &#8211;&gt; 00:03:30,120 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>No, z\u00e1kladn\u00fd z\u00e1ujem je v\u017edy len ten ekonomick\u00fd alebo mocensk\u00fd, \u010do je samozrejme v\u017edy priviazan\u00e9. No a t\u00e1 politika, ktor\u00e1 nominuje hej aj nejak\u00e9 tie spravodajsk\u00e9 zlo\u017eky, je vlastne toho len n\u00e1strojom. \u010ci\u017ee z toho to cel\u00e9 pramen\u00ed. Hej \u010di\u017ee, ten \u0161t\u00e1t je, ani by som nepovedal, \u017ee na poslednom mieste ten \u0161t\u00e1t nezauj\u00edma nikoho z t\u00fdch \u013eud\u00ed, ktor\u00ed tam vlastne nejak\u00fdm sp\u00f4sobom rozhoduj\u00fa alebo-<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:03:30,120 &#8211;&gt; 00:03:32,060 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Spomeniete si na nejak\u00fd konkr\u00e9tny pr\u00edklad?<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:03:32,060 &#8211;&gt; 00:04:01,100 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Hne\u010f pri n\u00e1stupe si pam\u00e4t\u00e1m, \u017ee som mal tak\u00fd projekt, tak vo v\u0161eobecnosti to poviem na monitorovanie agent\u00far, respekt\u00edve firiem, ktor\u00e9 sprostredkov\u00e1vaj\u00fa zakladanie firiem da\u0148ov\u00fdch rajov, hej, na nach\u00e1dzanie da\u0148ov\u00fdch povinnost\u00ed a mysl\u00edm si, \u017ee to bol celkom dobre spracovan\u00fd projekt, ale proste videl som, ke\u010f som ho nejak\u00fdm sp\u00f4sobom sa sna\u017eil prezentova\u0165 alebo realizova\u0165, tak absol\u00fatne nebol tu z\u00e1ujem. \u010co je vlastne z h\u013eadiska ako\u017ee ochrany ekonomick\u00fdch z\u00e1ujmov \u0161t\u00e1tu, rozpracovanie proste t\u00fdch najv\u00e4\u010d\u0161\u00edch da\u0148ov\u00fdch \u00fanikov je pod\u013ea m\u0148a z\u00e1kladom.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:04:01,100 &#8211;&gt; 00:04:04,220 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>A sp\u00e4tne si to teda ako interpretujete, \u017ee pre\u010do to bolo zastaven\u00e9?<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:04:04,220 &#8211;&gt; 00:04:12,880 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ja neviem, ako to sa m\u00f4\u017eem len ako\u017ee domnieva\u0165 hej, \u017ee \u010di, \u010di sa b\u00e1li t\u00ed moji nadriaden\u00ed alebo niekto hore to zastavil, to ja neviem, to v\u00e1m nikto nepovie.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:04:12,880 &#8211;&gt; 00:04:26,180 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Toto je e\u0161te presne zauj\u00edmav\u00e9, mo\u017eno aj pre \u013eud\u00ed, ktor\u00ed teda nevedia \u00faplne, ako funguj\u00fa tajn\u00e9 slu\u017eby, \u017ee ak\u00e9 prostredie a atmosf\u00e9ra tam funguje. \u017de vy, ke\u010f nie\u010do v\u00e1m zamietli, nejak v\u00e1m to sna\u017eil niekto vysvetli\u0165, \u017ee pre\u010do?<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:04:26,180 &#8211;&gt; 00:04:47,120 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>V z\u00e1klade je to bezpe\u010dnostn\u00e1 zlo\u017eka, to znamen\u00e1, \u017ee nie ste v zamestnaneckom pomere. Ste v slu\u017eobnom pomere, to znamen\u00e1, va\u0161e pr\u00e1va s\u00fa v\u00fdrazne obmedzen\u00e9. Nem\u00f4\u017eete ako zamestnanec nie\u010do namieta\u0165 alebo resp. \u017eiada\u0165 nejak\u00fd dial\u00f3g alebo nie\u010do tak\u00e9. Je to bli\u017e\u0161ie, aj ke\u010f neni to \u00faplne ako vojensk\u00e1 s\u00fa\u010das\u0165, ale je to bli\u017e\u0161ie k tej vojenskej sf\u00e9re, ako k tej zamestnaneckej.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:04:47,120 &#8211;&gt; 00:04:54,820 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>A pri va\u0161ich nejak\u00fdch aj slu\u017eobn\u00fdch cest\u00e1ch v zahrani\u010d\u00ed, stretli ste sa s t\u00fdm, \u017ee by tajn\u00e9 slu\u017eby fungovali v zahrani\u010d\u00ed profesion\u00e1lnej\u0161ie?<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:04:54,820 &#8211;&gt; 00:05:35,539 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Nemysl\u00edm si, \u017ee som kompetentn\u00fd toto \u00faplne pos\u00fadi\u0165. Ak, samozrejme, \u017ee raz som sa stretol s nejak\u00fdmi pozit\u00edvnymi pr\u00edpadmi, ale v z\u00e1sade nevid\u00edm nejak\u00e9 ve\u013ek\u00e9 rozdiely. Ako m\u0148a na za\u010diatku napr\u00edklad, ale to bolo e\u0161te fakt, \u017ee ve\u013emi d\u00e1vno, hne\u010f na za\u010diatku, jak som tam bol, dos\u0165 ma pozit\u00edvne prekvapili Holan\u010fania vtedy, hej, \u017ee mali vlastne nejak\u00fd mal\u00fd syst\u00e9m rozpracovania operat\u00edvny cez, cez vlastne sledovanie proste platby kartami a prev\u00e1dzkovanie na bankov\u00e9 \u00fa\u010dty, \u010do samozrejme, \u017ee u\u017e teraz to je kv\u00e1zi v\u0161ade. No ale oni to u\u017e mali vtedy hej, pred nejak\u00fdmi dvadsiatimi a vy\u0161e rokmi. To ma vtedy tak zaujalo, ale je to samozrejme len nejak\u00fd \u00fazky v\u00fdsek. Netvrd\u00edm, \u017ee t\u00e1 holandsk\u00e1 slu\u017eba je omnoho lep\u0161ia ako hociktor\u00e1 in\u00e1.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:05:35,540 &#8211;&gt; 00:05:45,140 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Keby sme sa ale pozreli na to z toho poh\u013eadu t\u00fdch platobn\u00fdch kari\u00e9r, to bol teda dev\u00e4\u0165desiate roky predpoklad\u00e1m, tak vlastne my sme to na Slovensku robili ako v porovnan\u00ed s t\u00fdmi Holan\u010fanmi?<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:05:45,140 &#8211;&gt; 00:05:47,460 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Vtedy e\u0161te u n\u00e1s karty nefungovali, hej. No tam u\u017e to fungovalo.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:05:47,460 &#8211;&gt; 00:05:53,160 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u010ci\u017ee t\u00e1 tajn\u00e1 slu\u017eba vlastne mala hor\u0161ie zdroje, potom inform\u00e1ci\u00ed alebo teda s\u0165a\u017eenej\u0161ie.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:05:53,160 &#8211;&gt; 00:05:53,760 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ako u n\u00e1s?<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:05:53,760 &#8211;&gt; 00:05:54,160 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Mhm.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:05:54,160 &#8211;&gt; 00:06:01,480 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>No jasn\u00e9, u\u017e len v tom zmysle, \u017ee napr\u00edklad ako oni nepotrebovali nejak\u00e9 ve\u013ek\u00e9 sledovacie odbory, lebo si to vedeli omnoho \u013eah\u0161ie vyhodnoti\u0165.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:06:09,108 &#8211;&gt; 00:06:45,588 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>O kauze Gorila sa toho u\u017e pop\u00edsalo a povedalo ve\u013ea. V podstate ide o jednu z najv\u00e4\u010d\u0161\u00edch korup\u010dn\u00fdch k\u00e1uz a takisto v\u00fdsudloversk\u00fdch k\u00e1uz. My v\u0161ak dneska nep\u00f4jdeme do detailu tejto kauzy. Sk\u00f4r n\u00e1s zauj\u00edma v\u00e1\u0161 osobn\u00fd pr\u00edbeh a dilemy, ktor\u00e9 ste pre\u017e\u00edvali a ako ste sa s nimi popasovali. Len teda pripomeniem, \u017ee spis Gorila vznikol na z\u00e1klade odposluchov, ktor\u00e9 sa robili priamo z v\u00e1\u0161ho s\u00fakromn\u00e9ho bytu. Cel\u00e9 sa to za\u010dalo t\u00fdm, \u017ee ste si v\u0161imli, \u017ee do ved\u013eaj\u0161ieho bytu Zolt\u00e1na Vargu opakovane chodia politici a Jaroslav Ha\u0161\u010d\u00e1k z Penty. Mali ste vtedy dilemu, \u010di povoli\u0165 in\u0161tal\u00e1ciu odpo\u010d\u00favania do v\u00e1\u0161ho bytu? Na od\u013eah\u010denie, sna\u017e\u00edm si predstavi\u0165, ako musela vyzera\u0165 t\u00e1 debata s man\u017eelkou.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:06:45,588 &#8211;&gt; 00:07:08,938 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Tak zaprv\u00e9, s man\u017eelkou som to nepreberal a nie v tom zmysle, \u017ee by som ju ignoroval, ale viem, \u017ee v tomto zmysle m\u00e1m jej podporu. Bez toho, \u017ee by som to nejako jej prezentoval. Aa takto som sa nad t\u00fdm nezam\u00fd\u0161\u013eal nikdy. Ako ste polo\u017eila t\u00fa ot\u00e1zku, ako, pre m\u0148a to bolo v podstate len ozn\u00e1menie nejakej skuto\u010dnosti nadriaden\u00e9mu, ktor\u00ed to potom schv\u00e1lili. A v podstate ja som i\u0161iel do toho.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:07:08,938 &#8211;&gt; 00:07:14,308 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ale tak asi si musel nie\u010do v\u0161imn\u00fa\u0165 na stene v kuchyni, \u017ee nie\u010do tam je nain\u0161talovan\u00e9, alebo-<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:07:14,308 &#8211;&gt; 00:07:30,448 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ako ja man\u017eelke som nikdy sa nesna\u017eil. Ako v\u017edy som sa sna\u017eil neza\u0165a\u017eova\u0165 nejak\u00fdmi detailami, ako samozrejme, \u017ee nejak\u00fd z\u00e1kladn\u00fd r\u00e1mec vedela, ale nebolo to tak, \u017ee by nie\u010do bolo nain\u0161talovan\u00e9 na stene. Alebo \u010do to, to zase to m\u00e1te tro\u0161ku nespr\u00e1vnu predstavu.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:07:30,448 &#8211;&gt; 00:07:37,098 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ale tak minim\u00e1lne je zauj\u00edmav\u00e9 to, \u017ee v podstate ste si to dali do vlastn\u00e9ho s\u00fakromn\u00e9ho bytu, kde bolo tie\u017e ur\u010dite riziko, \u017ee sa to-<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:07:37,098 &#8211;&gt; 00:07:42,148 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ja som to nedal, to dala vlastne zlo\u017eka, ktor\u00e1 je za to zodpovedn\u00e1. Ja som to len ako\u017ee kv\u00e1zi umo\u017enil.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:07:42,148 &#8211;&gt; 00:07:50,688 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u00c1no, ale aj v tom je v nie\u010dom zauj\u00edmav\u00e9 to, \u017ee v\u00e1m to vlastne a\u017e tak nevadilo, lebo predsa len, na t\u00fdch odposluchoch sa mohlo aj zachyti\u0165, \u010do sa rozpr\u00e1vate u v\u00e1s doma.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:07:50,688 &#8211;&gt; 00:07:51,628 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ja nem\u00e1m \u010do skr\u00fdva\u0165.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:07:51,628 &#8211;&gt; 00:07:53,928 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Tak\u017ee to bol ten hlavn\u00fd d\u00f4vod, \u017ee pre\u010do ste na to k\u00fdvli?<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:07:53,928 &#8211;&gt; 00:07:54,948 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u017de \u010do, \u017ee nem\u00e1m \u010do skr\u00fdva\u0165?<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:07:54,948 &#8211;&gt; 00:07:55,428 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u00c1no.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:07:55,428 &#8211;&gt; 00:08:15,108 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>No nie, to nebol hlavn\u00fd d\u00f4vod. To je len, na to ste sa vy teraz d\u00edvala, ale&#8230; [smiech] Tam je v takom \u00fapadku je t\u00e1 cel\u00e1 sf\u00e9ra, \u017ee si vlastne robotu mus\u00edte vym\u00fd\u0161\u013ea\u0165 s\u00e1m, ke\u010f chcete robi\u0165 nie\u010do zmyslupln\u00e9. Samozrejme, v\u00e4\u010d\u0161ina \u013eud\u00ed reaguje tak, \u017ee urob\u00ed si len to, \u010do mus\u00ed a \u010di m\u00e1 ich pr\u00e1ca zmysel, alebo nie, ich absol\u00fatne nezauj\u00edma, hej, \u017ee str\u00e1\u017eia si roky do d\u00f4chodku. Mne to nesta\u010dilo.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:08:15,108 &#8211;&gt; 00:08:45,228 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Pre posluch\u00e1\u010dov pripomeniem, \u017ee odposluchy sa deli pribli\u017ene pol roka od decembra 2005 do j\u00fana 2006, kedy boli v z\u00e1sade prezraden\u00e9, ale v\u00e1s vyhodili a\u017e v okt\u00f3bri 2008, teda v podstate po dvoch rokoch, odkedy ste na kauze pracovali. Sk\u00fasme si poveda\u0165 nie\u010do o tomto obdob\u00ed. Dnes u\u017e vieme, \u017ee ste vyu\u017eili v z\u00e1sade v\u0161etky mo\u017enosti, ako upozorni\u0165 v r\u00e1mci SIS na to, \u017ee treba kona\u0165, ale ni\u010d sa nedialo. Spomeniete si e\u0161te na ten prv\u00fd moment, ke\u010f ste upozornili svojich nadriaden\u00fdch, na \u010do ste pri\u0161li? \u017de \u010do ste vtedy \u010dakali a \u010do sa re\u00e1lne stalo?<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:08:45,228 &#8211;&gt; 00:08:58,288 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ako nejak\u00e9 o\u010dak\u00e1vania som nemal. Ja som vedel zhruba, \u010do s\u00fa to za \u013eudia a samozrejme, \u017ee ako priamy v\u00fdsmech zo strany riadite\u013ea sekcie ma tro\u0161ku prekvapil, ale in\u00e1\u010d v podstate som nebol prekvapen\u00fd. Odpove\u010fou bol v\u00fdsmech.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:08:58,288 &#8211;&gt; 00:08:59,987 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ako ste to pre\u017e\u00edvali vtedy?<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:08:59,988 &#8211;&gt; 00:09:05,068 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Nemysl\u00edm si, \u017ee to bolo nejak\u00e9 dramatick\u00e9. Zaregistroval som to a zaradil som sa pos\u00fava\u0165.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:09:05,068 &#8211;&gt; 00:09:12,528 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Spis kon\u010dil na stole mnoh\u00fdch prokur\u00e1torov, policajtov, no nikto do toho nechcel \u00eds\u0165. Ako si vysvet\u013eujete, \u017ee nebola v\u00f4la pre\u0161etri\u0165 tento pr\u00edpad?<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:09:12,528 &#8211;&gt; 00:09:33,628 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>To je sk\u00f4r ot\u00e1zka na t\u00fdch kv\u00e1zi vy\u0161etrovate\u013eov, policajtov. \u00c1no, ur\u010dite maj\u00fa aj nejak\u00e9 objekt\u00edvne probl\u00e9my. To viem. P\u00f4sobia hej, v tom syst\u00e9me, ktor\u00fd je nastaven\u00fd tak, ako je nastaven\u00fd. Nerad by som o tom \u0161pekuloval. To je, ja do toho ani nevid\u00edm priamo. Je to na ich svedom\u00ed. Nechcem tu nikoho pr\u00e1cu zneva\u017eova\u0165 alebo nie\u010do tak\u00e9.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:09:33,628 &#8211;&gt; 00:10:02,688 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Sk\u00f4r sme teraz, aj som teraz smerovala k tomu obdobiu t\u00fdch dvoch rokov, \u017ee odkedy sa odposluchy ukon\u010dili a vy ste sa sna\u017eili, aby teda sa s t\u00fdm pr\u00edpadom nie\u010do dialo \u010falej. A teda akokeby ke\u010f ten spis sa dostal aj in\u00fdm \u013eu\u010fom do r\u00fak, ale nikto akokeby z t\u00fdch povolan\u00fdch to nechcel rozpracov\u00e1va\u0165. \u017de ako ste to vtedy vn\u00edmali, \u017ee \u010di sa b\u00e1li alebo boli s\u00fa\u010das\u0165ou naozaj tak toho syst\u00e9mu, \u017ee mali pocit, \u017ee by i\u0161li sami proti sebe? Lebo medi\u00e1lni ste aj tak aj tento typ interpret\u00e1cie u\u017e pon\u00fakli.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:10:02,688 &#8211;&gt; 00:10:28,328 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>To je presne to ist\u00e9, ako aj, aj pri t\u00fdch vy\u0161etrovate\u013eoch. Ako hej, oslovil som desiatky \u013eud\u00ed, od advok\u00e1tov, politikov, prokur\u00e1torov, aj mimovl\u00e1dne organiz\u00e1cie a v podstate bolo vidno na v\u0161etk\u00fdch t\u00fdchto subjektov, \u017ee akokeby som bol nejak\u00fd, neviem. Proste pre nich je to ohrozenie toho syst\u00e9mu a asi niekde v podvedom\u00ed, ja neviem, to je len \u0161pekul\u00e1cia, hej? Proste nikto nejak\u00fdm sp\u00f4sobom nezareagoval tak, \u017ee po\u010fme do toho.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:10:28,328 &#8211;&gt; 00:10:35,188 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Asi je to aj pochopite\u013en\u00e9 z toho d\u00f4vodu, \u017ee, \u017ee naozaj sa \u013eudia boja, ke\u010f ide o akt\u00e9rov s vysokou mierou moci.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:10:35,188 &#8211;&gt; 00:10:40,428 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Viete \u010do, to ani nie, \u017ee sa boja o t\u00fdch \u013eud\u00ed, ale boja sa o mo\u017eno svoje pohodlie, no.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:10:40,428 &#8211;&gt; 00:10:52,908 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>A ke\u010f m\u00e1 pr\u00edslu\u0161n\u00edk SIS v ruk\u00e1ch tak\u00e9to d\u00f4kazy, \u010do by sa malo \u0161tandardne dia\u0165 \u010falej? Prebieha \u010falej \u010fal\u0161ie zhroma\u017e\u010fovanie d\u00f4kazov? Kto vlastne ten pr\u00edpad \u010falej vy\u0161etruje a vedie? \u017de keby sa t\u00ed \u013eudia nez\u013eakli, \u017ee ako by to malo vyzera\u0165?<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:10:52,908 &#8211;&gt; 00:11:17,538 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ako princ\u00edp je ten hej, \u017ee vlastne je to zlo\u017eka Bezpe\u010dnostn\u00e1, ktor\u00e1 samozrejme neni org\u00e1n \u010dinn\u00fd v trestnom konan\u00ed, ktor\u00e1 zhroma\u017e\u010fuje inform\u00e1cie, ktor\u00e9 ale samozrejme, ke\u010f s\u00fa \u010do viem, aj podporen\u00e9 povolen\u00edm sudcu, u\u017e maj\u00fa charakter d\u00f4kazu. M\u00f4\u017eu by\u0165 posunut\u00e9 od \u010cTK, \u010di\u017ee v tomto pr\u00edpade policajn\u00fdm zlo\u017ek\u00e1m, ktor\u00e9 proste pozrie osoby m\u00f4\u017eu zaisti\u0165 a proste cez zodpovedaj\u00face in\u0161tit\u00faty ods\u00fadi\u0165, hej?<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:11:17,538 &#8211;&gt; 00:11:28,248 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>A teraz, ke\u010f sa e\u0161te vr\u00e1time k t\u00fdm dvom rokom, kedy ste sa sna\u017eili o to, aby sa s tou kauzou nie\u010do dialo. Sna\u017eili sa v\u00e1s nejako zastavi\u0165? Ako si m\u00e1me predstavi\u0165 manipul\u00e1ciu v prostred\u00ed tajn\u00fdch slu\u017eieb?<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:11:28,248 &#8211;&gt; 00:12:09,867 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Vi\u010f \u017ee to ani nie z prostredia tajn\u00fdch slu\u017eieb, aj ke\u010f samozrejme vyu\u017eili nejak\u00e9 kontakty na mojich b\u00fdval\u00fdch spolupracovn\u00edkov aj, vr\u00e1tane&#8230; Ale v princ\u00edpe pre m\u0148a to bolo najprv trochu stresuj\u00face, ale potom a\u017e z\u00e1bavn\u00e9, ak\u00fdm sp\u00f4sobom sa ma sna\u017eili v podstate namota\u0165 na nie\u010do, aby som bol vyderate\u013en\u00fd, ovplyvnite\u013en\u00fd, manipulovate\u013en\u00fd. \u010ci\u017ee rozohrali sa nejak\u00e9 hry okolo m\u0148a spravodajsk\u00e9, vr\u00e1tane m\u00f4jho zamestnania, vr\u00e1tane \u013eud\u00ed, ktor\u00ed ma za\u010dali kontaktova\u0165, ktor\u00ed za\u010dali odo m\u0148a p\u00fdta\u0165 nejak\u00e9 inform\u00e1cie. Mysleli si, \u017ee budem nahnevan\u00fd, hej? Proste z\u00e1kladn\u00fd ten princ\u00edp, ako to funguje je, sna\u017ei\u0165 sa vo v\u00e1s vzbudi\u0165 nejak\u00fa em\u00f3ciu. Samozrejme, naj\u013eah\u0161ie je vzbudi\u0165 negat\u00edvnu em\u00f3ciu. Ja vtedy vlastne \u010dlovek rob\u00ed chyby, no.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:12:09,867 &#8211;&gt; 00:12:19,348 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>A \u010do by ste odporu\u010dili \u010dloveku, ktor\u00fd sa tie\u017e m\u00f4\u017ee ocitn\u00fa\u0165 v takejto situ\u00e1cii ako vy, \u017ee bud\u00fa teda na neho sk\u00fa\u0161a\u0165 r\u00f4zne hry? \u017de \u010do by ste mu odporu\u010dili, \u017ee ak\u00e9ho princ\u00edpu sa m\u00e1 dr\u017ea\u0165?<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:12:19,348 &#8211;&gt; 00:12:32,016 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>No ja nie som v poz\u00edcii, aby som niekomu nie\u010do odpor\u00fa\u010dal. Ja som v podstate za seba. Vn\u00fatorne som to tak c\u00edtil, \u017ee to je nejak\u00e1 hra.Taktie\u017e ja som na to nereagoval. Oni po nieko\u013ek\u00fdch pokusoch to potom tie\u017e dali.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:12:32,016 &#8211;&gt; 00:12:33,356 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Tak\u017ee by\u0165 zdr\u017eanliv\u00fd.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:12:33,356 &#8211;&gt; 00:12:44,876 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Nie zdr\u017eanliv\u00fd, proste vypo\u010du\u0165 si, zasmia\u0165 sa. Dovidenia.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:12:44,876 &#8211;&gt; 00:12:57,516 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ktor\u00fd moment bol pre v\u00e1s \u013eudsky naj\u0165a\u017e\u0161\u00ed a ako ste ho zvl\u00e1dli? Po\u010das t\u00fdch dvoch rokov, ke\u010f vlastne ste sa sna\u017eili, aby t\u00fa kauzu niekto rie\u0161il? Potom bola vlastne zverejnen\u00e1 na internete a za\u010dali nejak\u00e9 protesty.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:12:57,516 &#8211;&gt; 00:13:19,795 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Nemysl\u00edm si, \u017ee by tam bol nejak\u00fd v\u00fdrazne \u0165a\u017ek\u00fd. Samozrejme, \u017ee nejak\u00e9. Mal som tro\u0161ku obdobia v tom \u010dase, kde \u010dlovek sa tak zam\u00fd\u0161\u013ea, ke\u010f vid\u00ed, \u017ee zostane s\u00e1m v tom celom. \u0160pekuluje aj nad sebou. Hej? Mal som tak\u00e9 obdobie, \u017ee nebolo mi \u00faplne ako\u017ee psychicky dobre. Ani by som to nenazval depresiou. Depresia je tro\u0161ku nie\u010do in\u00e9, hej?<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:13:19,856 &#8211;&gt; 00:13:24,476 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ale nejak\u00fd \u00faplne \u0165a\u017ek\u00fd moment typu, \u017ee, \u017ee som zni\u010den\u00fd. To som nemal nikdy.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:13:24,476 &#8211;&gt; 00:13:26,055 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>A ako ste pre\u017e\u00edvali v\u00fdpove\u010f?<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:13:26,055 &#8211;&gt; 00:13:41,736 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ako emo\u010dne n\u00e1ro\u010dn\u00fd de\u0148? Ale keby som t\u00fa em\u00f3ciu mal pomenova\u0165 asi. Mo\u017eno nejak\u00e9 obavy, samozrejme z bud\u00facnosti alebo z toho, \u010do sa bude dia\u0165. Ale na druhej strane bolo aj ve\u013emi intenz\u00edvny pocit, \u017ee kone\u010dne sa nie\u010do deje a kone\u010dne u\u017e ideme odtia\u013eto pre\u010d.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:13:41,736 &#8211;&gt; 00:13:46,415 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Vy ste mi na k\u00e1ve aj prezradili, \u017ee teda ten de\u0148 vyzeral tro\u0161ku bizarne, ke\u010f v\u00e1s vyhadzovali.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:13:46,415 &#8211;&gt; 00:14:09,435 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Samozrejme, oni ke\u010f nemaj\u00fa za sebou pravdu, tak v\u00e1m musia uk\u00e1za\u0165, ako vzbudi\u0165 v\u00e1\u0161 strach. Tak ukazuj\u00fa silu. No tak nabelo tam dvadsa\u0165 \u013eud\u00ed, z ktor\u00fdch niektor\u00fdch som aj poznal, ktor\u00ed aj vyslovene bolo vidno, \u017ee im je to nepr\u00edjemn\u00e9, hej? Robili zo seba \u0161a\u0161ov, obsadili v\u0161etky v\u00fdchody a na z\u00e1chody i\u0161li so mnou. Nejak\u00e1 komisia pri\u0161la. Vtedy som to vn\u00edmal tak, ako \u017ee nech\u00e1pal som moc domu. No a teraz sa nad t\u00fdm smejem.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:14:09,435 &#8211;&gt; 00:14:11,976 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>A kto v\u00e1s v tom obdob\u00ed najviac podr\u017eal?<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:14:11,976 &#8211;&gt; 00:14:24,836 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Vo ve\u010dernom princ\u00edpe ako \u010dlovek, o ktor\u00e9ho som sa mohol oprie\u0165 za cel\u00fd ten \u010das, ale samozrejme, nechcel som ho za\u0165a\u017eova\u0165. Bola iba man\u017eelka. Ako ona ma podr\u017eala, ale nebolo to tak\u00fdm sp\u00f4sobom, \u017ee by som jej ja ka\u017ed\u00fd ve\u010der vylieval svoje em\u00f3cie.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:14:24,836 &#8211;&gt; 00:14:35,755 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Pre mnoh\u00fdch \u013eud\u00ed je strata zamestnania ve\u013ek\u00fd stra\u0161iak. Vy ste tie\u017e povedali, \u017ee ste boli nejak\u00fd \u010das nezamestnan\u00fd. Ako ste pre\u017e\u00edvali toto obdobie? A ako to vlastne teda dopadlo s vami?<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:14:35,756 &#8211;&gt; 00:15:16,836 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>No, to bolo s\u00fa\u010das\u0165 pod\u013ea m\u0148a presne toho cel\u00e9ho procesu uvedomenia, \u017ee ke\u010f som pri\u0161iel o t\u00fa pr\u00e1cu, hej, boli tam nejak\u00e9 obavy. Bol som aj nejak\u00fd \u010das nezamestnan\u00fd, dokonca som potom, ke\u010f som sa aj zamestnal, boli to kv\u00e1zi nejak\u00e9 tie rubbish joby, hej, \u017ee ni\u010d moc, lebo v podstate nikto ma nechcel zamestna\u0165, ka\u017ed\u00fd sa b\u00e1l. Boli a\u017e nejak\u00e9 absurdn\u00e9 pohovory, \u017ee u\u017e som bol aj prijat\u00fd, ale potom zistili, \u017ee kto som, tak vym\u00fd\u0161\u013eali v\u00fdhovorky. \u010ci\u017ee to bola kom\u00e9dia, ale vlastne cel\u00e9 to bolo s\u00fa\u010das\u0165ou toho, ako prizn\u00e1m sa, v t\u00fdch \u010dasoch ma to hnevalo, som si myslel, \u017ee. Ale potom, ke\u010f som pochopil, \u017ee vlastne hej, \u017ee \u010do som \u010dakal? Hej, \u017ee ja som i\u0161iel proti syst\u00e9mu, som sa vy\u010dlenil zo syst\u00e9mu, tak teraz syst\u00e9m ja nechcem. Tak ako\u017ee ke\u010f som sa s t\u00fdm zmieril, tak potom zrazu pri\u0161la dobr\u00e1 pr\u00e1ca.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:15:24,276 &#8211;&gt; 00:15:38,336 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0Cel\u00e9 Slovensko sa o Gorila dozvedelo, ke\u010f ho niekto zavesil na internet. Vy ste to neboli, ale potvrdili ste jej pravos\u0165, \u010do v\u00e1m potom niektor\u00ed vy\u010d\u00edtali, \u017ee ste t\u00fdm poru\u0161ili povinnos\u0165 dodr\u017eiava\u0165 ml\u010danlivos\u0165. Ako ste to vn\u00edmali vy? \u010co bolo pre v\u00e1s v tom \u010dase d\u00f4le\u017eit\u00e9?<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:15:38,336 &#8211;&gt; 00:16:18,136 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Viete \u010do, ani nespom\u00ednam si, \u017ee by som nejak potvrdzoval pravos\u0165, lebo aj pre m\u0148a tam boli nejak\u00e9 \u010dasti, ktor\u00e9 s\u00fa vyslovene, o ktor\u00fdch ni\u010d neviem, hlavne ten \u00favod. Mal som nejak\u00e9 inform\u00e1cie. Diali sa v\u0161elijak\u00e9 spravodajsk\u00e9 hry okolo toho. Proste vedel som, \u017ee kopec \u013eud\u00ed o tom vie. V prostred\u00ed nejakom podnikate\u013eskom, politickom o tom vedel u\u017e skoro ka\u017ed\u00fd. Samozrejme, nie ka\u017ed\u00fd to mal dostupn\u00e9, hej? V\u0161etci o tom vedeli, v\u0161etci o tom rozpr\u00e1vali, ale v\u0161etci sa tv\u00e1rili, \u017ee to neexistuje, hej? A ke\u010f to nakoniec zverejnili, samozrejme zverejnili to nie za \u00fa\u010delom, aby to bolo rie\u0161en\u00e9, aby to bolo vy\u0161etren\u00e9 a aby to bolo sprocesovan\u00e9. Ale zverejnili to samozrejme zase za \u00fa\u010delom nejak\u00e9ho zneu\u017eitia, \u010di\u017ee politick\u00e9ho, ktor\u00e9 v tom \u010dase potrebovali.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:16:18,136 &#8211;&gt; 00:16:20,455 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ale od\u013eahlo v\u00e1m, ke\u010f u\u017e to bolo zverejnen\u00e9?<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:16:20,455 &#8211;&gt; 00:16:23,356 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ako mysl\u00edte, \u017eeby mysl\u00edte, \u017ee som sa ob\u00e1val pred t\u00fdm a \u017ee t\u00fdm p\u00e1dom sa to zverejnilo?<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:16:23,356 &#8211;&gt; 00:16:27,616 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u017de u\u017e sa to vie, \u017ee sa vie. T\u00e1 pravda o stave spolo\u010dnosti v podstate pre \u0161irok\u00e9 masy.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:16:27,616 &#8211;&gt; 00:16:43,896 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Hej, to ma to ma tro\u0161ku pote\u0161ilo, ale \u017ee by som mal nejak\u00fa ve\u013ek\u00fa rados\u0165? Lebo ako\u017ee be\u017en\u00fd \u010dlovek sa m\u00f4\u017ee, ke\u010f m\u00e1 z\u00e1ujem, m\u00f4\u017ee sa dosta\u0165 k tomu, ako to re\u00e1lne funguje. Samozrejme, ten spis to neni \u00fapln\u00e1 realita, lebo \u010do to bol len ve\u013emi \u00fazky v\u00fdsek. Tak funguj\u00fa v podstate v\u0161etci.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:16:43,896 &#8211;&gt; 00:16:48,935 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Doteraz nebol nikto z akt\u00e9rov tejto kauzy ods\u00faden\u00fd. Mal napriek tomu zmysel ozva\u0165 sa?<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:16:48,935 &#8211;&gt; 00:16:57,316 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ja t\u00fato ot\u00e1zku si v\u00f4bec nekladem takto, \u010di to malo zmysel. Pre m\u0148a to bolo v podstate automatika, z\u00e1konitos\u0165. Ja in\u00fdm sp\u00f4sobom si neviem predstavi\u0165, \u017ee by som konal.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:16:57,316 &#8211;&gt; 00:16:59,776 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ak\u00e9 hodnoty s\u00fa pre v\u00e1s d\u00f4le\u017eit\u00e9 v \u017eivote?<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:16:59,776 &#8211;&gt; 00:17:15,516 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Nem\u00e1m nejak\u00e9 presne stanoven\u00e9, ako\u017ee neviem to v\u00e1m tu verbalizova\u0165 nejak\u00fa, nejak\u00fa konkr\u00e9tnu hodnotu. Samozrejme, asi nejak\u00e9, asi nejak\u00e9 m\u00e1m v sebe. Asi tak\u00e1 z\u00e1kladn\u00e1, \u010do \u010do by som tak mohol poveda\u0165 je, \u017ee v\u017edy sa sna\u017e\u00edm by\u0165<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:17:15,516 &#8211;&gt; 00:17:24,136 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>pravdiv\u00fd s\u00e1m k sebe. No ja netvrd\u00edm, \u017ee sa mi to dar\u00ed na sto percent, ale to je asi to ur\u010duj\u00face, \u010do ur\u010duje aj moje konanie.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:17:24,136 &#8211;&gt; 00:17:29,376 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Mysl\u00edte si, \u017ee m\u00e1 dopad na kvalitu \u017eivota \u010dloveka u\u017e samotn\u00fd fakt, \u017ee je podozriv\u00fd z korupcie?<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:17:29,376 &#8211;&gt; 00:17:50,856 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>To je tak\u00e1 t\u00e1 povrchov\u00e1 rovina. V podstate aj s t\u00fdm by sa d\u00e1 s\u00fahlasi\u0165, ale moje z\u00e1kladn\u00e9 presved\u010denie je, \u017ee \u013eudia, ktor\u00ed nejak\u00fdm sp\u00f4sobom z\u00edskavaj\u00fa v\u00fdhodu na \u00fakor in\u00fdch, konkr\u00e9tne kradn\u00fa, \u0161kodia v\u00e4\u010d\u0161inou si myslia, \u017ee \u0161kodia spolo\u010dnosti alebo n\u00e1m ostatn\u00fdm, ale prim\u00e1rne oni \u0161kodia hlavne sami sebe. A raz to mo\u017eno zistia.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:17:50,856 &#8211;&gt; 00:18:08,312 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ako si vysvet\u013eujete, \u017ee niekto pod\u013eahne tak\u00e9muto sp\u00f4sobu \u017eivota a \u00faplatkom v podstate cel\u00fd \u017eivot pre\u017e\u00edva ako jednu hru a mo\u017eno\u017ee s t\u00fdm zmyslom, \u017ee ma\u0165 pre seba \u010do najv\u00e4\u010d\u0161ie v\u00fdhody a zisk. A potom je tu niekto ako vy, ktor\u00fd ide a\u017e na hranu, len aby bol s\u00e1m sebe. Pravdiv\u00fd.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:18:08,312 &#8211;&gt; 00:18:34,572 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ja t\u00fdch \u013eud\u00ed neodsudzujem. Viem, \u017ee maj\u00fa t\u00fa potrebu si to v \u0161kole \u017eivota vysk\u00fa\u0161a\u0165 t\u00fato rolu, \u017ee budem zlodej, ale aby som ja ich nejak\u00fdm sp\u00f4sobom ich konanie hodnotil, je to ich zodpovednos\u0165. \u010ci\u017ee. Ale ja som vn\u00fatorne presved\u010den\u00fd. Ver\u00edm tomu, \u017ee v\u0161etko so v\u0161etk\u00fdm s\u00favis\u00ed a aj toto nejak\u00fdm sp\u00f4sobom. Nie \u017ee bud\u00fa potrestan\u00ed. To tak\u00e9, \u017ee ani nepo\u017eadujem, respekt\u00edve pre m\u0148a je najd\u00f4le\u017eitej\u0161\u00ed nejak\u00fd ten posun vo vedom\u00ed<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:18:34,572 &#8211;&gt; 00:18:48,472 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>a nielen ich, samozrejme posun v\u0161etk\u00fdch. A toto ist\u00fdm sp\u00f4sobom si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee bol hlavn\u00fd benefit celej tej kauzy, aj ke\u010f nikto nebol ods\u00faden\u00fd, \u017ee nejak\u00fd posun vo vedom\u00ed, aj ke\u010f \u00faplne nejak\u00fd mal\u00edk, kto chcel, si cez to mohol odpozorova\u0165.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:18:48,472 &#8211;&gt; 00:18:53,652 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ak\u00e9 knihy \u010d\u00edtate? Spomeniete si, ak\u00fd bol v\u00e1\u0161 liter\u00e1rny hrdina, ke\u010f ste boli e\u0161te die\u0165a?<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:18:53,652 &#8211;&gt; 00:19:11,552 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Pre\u010d\u00edtal som ako die\u0165a tak relat\u00edvne dos\u0165 kni\u017eiek, ale ja som mal tak\u00e9 obdobie, dva a pol roka som bol nezamestnan\u00fd, tak vtedy som a b\u00fdval som priamo pri kni\u017enici, tak som pre\u010d\u00edtal kvant\u00e1 kni\u017eiek, potom e\u0161te aj cez vysok\u00fa \u0161kolu. Mal som dve tak\u00e9 obdobia, \u017ee som pre\u010d\u00edtal mo\u017eno tristo kni\u017eiek ro\u010dne.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:19:11,552 &#8211;&gt; 00:19:12,492 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>A ak\u00fdch?<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:19:12,492 &#8211;&gt; 00:19:25,632 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>No v podstate beletriu, tak\u00fa n\u00e1ro\u010dnej\u0161iu. M\u00e1m v podstate pre\u010d\u00edtan\u00e9 skoro v\u0161etko, aj ke\u010f ako nie \u00faplne v\u0161etko, ale \u017ee v\u0161etk\u00fdch t\u00fdch ako klasikov svetov\u00fdch, t\u00fdch modernej\u0161\u00edch. A mysl\u00edm si, \u017ee aj to ma dos\u0165 ovplyvnilo.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:19:25,632 &#8211;&gt; 00:19:29,452 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>A spomenite si, \u017ee na nejak\u00e9ho liter\u00e1rneho hrdinu, ku ktor\u00e9mu ste vzhliadali?<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:19:29,452 &#8211;&gt; 00:19:42,672 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Nemysl\u00edm si, \u017ee by bol nejak\u00fd liter\u00e1rny hrdina, ktor\u00fd. S ktor\u00fdm by som sa ako\u017ee stoto\u017enil. Ale ve\u013emi sa mi p\u00e1\u010dil sp\u00f4sob a mo\u017eno\u017ee je aj to dobr\u00e9, \u017ee som to \u010d\u00edtal a\u017e v pokro\u010dilej\u0161om veku, cez \u0161tyridsa\u0165 rokov, ako Dostojevsk\u00e9ho<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:19:42,672 &#8211;&gt; 00:19:45,472 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>m\u00e1m ve\u013emi r\u00e1d, ako vykresluje on svoje postavy.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:19:45,472 &#8211;&gt; 00:19:48,332 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>A v \u010dom pod\u013ea v\u00e1s on trefne vykres\u013euje tie postavy?<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:19:48,332 &#8211;&gt; 00:19:55,532 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Najviac sa mi p\u00e1\u010di to, ako sa sna\u017e\u00ed pochopi\u0165 tie motiv\u00e1cie t\u00fdch \u013eud\u00ed. Neodsudzuje ich a nedel\u00ed t\u00fdch svojich hrdinov na dobr\u00fdch a zl\u00fdch.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:19:55,532 &#8211;&gt; 00:19:56,832 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Tak sa pozer\u00e1te na svet aj vy?<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:19:56,832 &#8211;&gt; 00:20:05,272 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u010ciasto\u010dne \u00e1no.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:20:05,272 &#8211;&gt; 00:20:13,732 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>U\u017e to bude skoro trin\u00e1s\u0165 rokov, mo\u017eno \u0161trn\u00e1s\u0165, odkedy v\u00e1s prepustili z tajnej slu\u017eby. Ak\u00fd \u017eivot teraz m\u00e1te? Ak\u00e1 je n\u00e1pl\u0148 va\u0161ej s\u00fa\u010dasnej pr\u00e1ce?<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:20:13,732 &#8211;&gt; 00:20:27,432 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Pracujem v kuri\u00e9rskej firme na administrat\u00edvnej poz\u00edcii. Niekedy sa aj smejem, \u017ee neviem, \u010di ste videli film Mu\u017ei v \u010diernom, \u017ee som dopadol jak agentka, \u010do mi vymazali pam\u00e4\u0165 a skon\u010dil na po\u0161te s mimozem\u0161\u0165anmi.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:20:27,732 &#8211;&gt; 00:20:31,712 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Tak pokia\u013e viem, vy rob\u00edte Compliance, \u010do je ozaj tro\u0161ku odbornej\u0161ia pr\u00e1ca.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:20:31,712 &#8211;&gt; 00:20:50,052 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Mierne hej, ale ako zase nem\u00e1m probl\u00e9m. Pr\u00e1ca ma celkom bav\u00ed, aj ke\u010f samozrejme nie je tak\u00e1 kv\u00e1zi vzru\u0161uj\u00faca pre niekoho. Ja v podstate posudzujem nejak\u00fdch zmluvn\u00fdch partnerov firmy, ich spo\u013eahlivos\u0165, m\u00e1m na starosti nejak\u00fa komunik\u00e1ciu s pol\u00edciou, na\u0161\u0165astie v\u00e4\u010d\u0161inou p\u00edsomn\u00fa.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:20:50,052 &#8211;&gt; 00:20:54,672 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ch\u00e1pem, \u017ee po t\u00fdch sk\u00fasenostiach z vypo\u010d\u00favania aj ku k\u00e1ze Gorila asi nem\u00e1te \u00faplne<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:20:54,672 &#8211;&gt; 00:20:59,292 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Nie ako ja nem\u00e1m probl\u00e9m. Ja si mysl\u00edm st\u00e1le, \u017ee v\u00e4\u010d\u0161ina policajtov je v pohode.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:20:59,292 &#8211;&gt; 00:21:04,072 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Vn\u00edmate nejak\u00fd posun aj v t\u00fdch zlo\u017ek\u00e1ch policajn\u00fdch, odkedy sa zmenila vl\u00e1da?<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:21:04,072 &#8211;&gt; 00:21:15,092 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Neviem, ja nie som ich s\u00fa\u010das\u0165ou. Rozumiete? \u010ci\u017ee ale jasn\u00e9, vidno, \u017ee proste s\u00fa nejak\u00e9 veci, do ktor\u00fdch sa pustili, ktor\u00e9 sa predt\u00fdm nemohli robi\u0165. \u010ci\u017ee asi nejak\u00fd posun tam je.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:21:15,092 &#8211;&gt; 00:21:20,612 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u010co by ste poradili \u013eu\u010fom, ktor\u00ed s\u00fa zvn\u00fatra a vedia o korupcii a zva\u017euj\u00fa, \u010di sa ozva\u0165?<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:21:20,612 &#8211;&gt; 00:21:34,432 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Nemysl\u00edm si, \u017ee ja som v poz\u00edcii, aby som niekomu radil. Proste z\u00e1klad je ten, mus\u00edte to ma\u0165 tro\u0161ku upratan\u00e9 v hlave a mus\u00edte si ako\u017ee veri\u0165, \u017ee ste, \u017ee ste v pr\u00e1ve. No a potom je to u\u017e len na va\u0161om rozhodnut\u00ed.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:21:34,432 &#8211;&gt; 00:21:42,991 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>A ke\u010f e\u0161te si porovn\u00e1te svoj \u017eivot, ke\u010f ste boli e\u0161te agentom alebo teda boli ste pracovn\u00edkom tajnej slu\u017eby t\u00fdch jeden\u00e1s\u0165 rokov a teraz \u017eivot, ak\u00fd vediete?<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:21:42,992 &#8211;&gt; 00:21:54,812 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Teraz vediem v podstate omnoho k\u013eudnej\u0161\u00ed a spokojnej\u0161\u00ed \u017eivot. Vtedy bol tak\u00fd extatickej\u0161\u00ed tro\u0161ku, \u017ee vlastne bolo tam viac toho kv\u00e1zi vzru\u0161enia, ale v princ\u00edpe nejak\u00fd z\u00e1sadn\u00fd rozdiel nevid\u00edm.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:21:54,812 &#8211;&gt; 00:21:55,932 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ste spokojnej\u0161\u00ed?<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:21:55,932 &#8211;&gt; 00:22:16,472 [Peter Hol\u00fabek]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>No, spokojn\u00fd som v tom zmysle, \u017ee som ur\u010dite hej, vekom minim\u00e1lne som vyzretej\u0161\u00ed. [smiech] Mysl\u00edm, \u017ee som sa aj tro\u0161ku posunul vo vedom\u00ed. Aj vr\u00e1tenie tohto pr\u00edpadu, vlastne to cel\u00e9 ma niekam posunulo. Si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee dobr\u00fdm smerom, \u010di\u017ee znie to mo\u017eno tak neskromne, ale som spokojn\u00fd s\u00e1m so sebou.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:22:16,472 &#8211;&gt; 00:22:45,412 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ve\u013emi pekne \u010fakujem, \u017ee ste prijali pozvanie do n\u00e1\u0161ho podcastu. Po\u010d\u00favali ste podcast Neuml\u010dan\u00ed, ktor\u00fd pre v\u00e1s vytv\u00e1ra \u00darad na ochranu oznamovate\u013eov v produkcii denn\u00edka Sme. Ak n\u00e1m chcete ozn\u00e1mi\u0165 korupciu alebo in\u00e9 poru\u0161ovanie z\u00e1konov, ktor\u00e9 maj\u00fa dopad na verejn\u00fd z\u00e1ujem, nap\u00ed\u0161te n\u00e1m na neumlcani@oznamovatelia.sk. Dopo\u010dutie o mesiac a dovtedy nezabudnite, neml\u010da\u0165 je zlato.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>00:22:45,412 &#8211;&gt; 00:23:30,332 [reklama]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Porozumie\u0165 politike, to je niekedy veda a porozumie\u0165 vede, to u\u017e chce aj tro\u0161ku predstavivosti. Len\u017ee svet okolo n\u00e1s je zlo\u017eit\u00fd a ob\u010das treba t\u00fato zlo\u017eitos\u0165 rozplies\u0165. Ja som Tom\u00e1\u0161 Prokop\u010d\u00e1k a spolu s kolegy\u0148ami a kolegami pre v\u00e1s ka\u017ed\u00fd pracovn\u00fd de\u0148 pripravujeme podcast Dobr\u00e9 r\u00e1no, v ktorom h\u013ead\u00e1me pr\u00edbehy, \u010do s\u00fa pre n\u00e1s, v\u00e1s aj krajinu d\u00f4le\u017eit\u00e9. Sna\u017e\u00edme sa by\u0165 va\u0161\u00edm podcastov\u00fdm priate\u013eom, ktor\u00fd chce lep\u0161ie porozumie\u0165 svetu okolo n\u00e1s. Doma, vo svete, vo vede, v kult\u00fare, ale treb\u00e1rs aj v \u0161porte. Dobr\u00e9 r\u00e1no preto n\u00e1jdete ka\u017ed\u00e9 r\u00e1no na webe Denn\u00edka SME, na Spotify alebo v ka\u017edej podcastovej aplik\u00e1cii.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p><\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Aj Hol\u00fabek si pam\u00e4t\u00e1 na v\u00fdsmech svojho \u0161\u00e9fa, ke\u010f na neho apeloval, aby sa kauza rie\u0161ila. Tie\u017e na to, ako v de\u0148 jeho v\u00fdpovede nabehla do budovy desiatka ochrank\u00e1rov, aby ho vyprevadili z pr\u00e1ce.<\/p>","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":3024,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[33],"tags":[31],"class_list":["post-3305","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-podcast","tag-podcast"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v26.5 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Podcast Neuml\u010dan\u00ed: Autor spisu Gorila Peter Hol\u00fabek prehovoril o korupcii<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Kauza Gorila zatriasla nielen politickou sc\u00e9nou, ale cel\u00fdm Slovenskom. Spis, ktor\u00fd niekto zverejnil na internete, obsahoval prepisy odposluchov vrcholov\u00fdch politikov a finan\u010dn\u00edkov. 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