{"id":4442,"date":"2023-10-05T14:21:00","date_gmt":"2023-10-05T12:21:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/10.0.3.10\/?p=4442"},"modified":"2025-09-05T11:00:20","modified_gmt":"2025-09-05T09:00:20","slug":"museli-sme-sa-ozvat-tie-deti-by-doteraz-trpeli-hovori-pracovnicka-centra-pre-deti","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/10.0.3.7\/en\/museli-sme-sa-ozvat-tie-deti-by-doteraz-trpeli-hovori-pracovnicka-centra-pre-deti\/","title":{"rendered":"Museli sme sa ozva\u0165, tie deti by doteraz trpeli, hovor\u00ed pracovn\u00ed\u010dka centra pre deti"},"content":{"rendered":"<div data-elementor-type=\"wp-post\" data-elementor-id=\"4442\" class=\"elementor elementor-4442\" data-elementor-post-type=\"post\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-7483788 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"7483788\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-9f25a26\" data-id=\"9f25a26\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-e755652 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"e755652\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>V\u00a0\u0161t\u00e1tnom Centre pre deti a\u00a0rodiny v\u00a0Trnave bol tlak na to, aby zamestnanci a\u00a0profesion\u00e1lni n\u00e1hradn\u00ed rodi\u010dia vychov\u00e1vali zveren\u00e9 deti v pr\u00edsnej kres\u0165anskej viere. Vychov\u00e1vatelia bez oh\u013eadu na svoje presved\u010denie museli d\u00e1va\u0165 de\u0165om na \u010delo kr\u00ed\u017eiky, nieko\u013ekokr\u00e1t denne sa s\u00a0nimi modli\u0165, deti museli p\u00edsa\u0165 listy v\u00e4z\u0148om a n\u00e1bo\u017eensk\u00e9 stretnutia mali neraz prednos\u0165 pred ich vzdel\u00e1van\u00edm.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-c22e7e6 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"c22e7e6\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tKe\u010f sa vo\u010di tzv. duchovn\u00e9mu programu centra jedna profesion\u00e1lna matka ohradila, nebola s \u0148ou pred\u013a\u017een\u00e1 pracovn\u00e1 zmluva a odobrali jej zo starostlivosti die\u0165a. Vtedy sa rozhodla o\u00a0praktik\u00e1ch v\u00a0domove prehovori\u0165 a\u00a0 obr\u00e1tila sa na \u00darad na ochranu oznamovate\u013eov. Rovnako tak aj \u010fal\u0161\u00ed zamestnanci, ktor\u00ed dokonca podali hromadn\u00e9 v\u00fdpovede. Jedna zamestnanky\u0148a podala aj trestn\u00e9 ozn\u00e1menie.\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-80e1d75 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"80e1d75\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\u201eAj ke\u010f nad t\u00fdm rozm\u00fd\u0161\u013eam sp\u00e4tne a bez em\u00f3ci\u00ed, bolo to neskuto\u010dne n\u00e1ro\u010dn\u00e9. Dali sme do st\u00e1vky svoje zamestnania. Ja mo\u017eno nie a\u017e tak ako t\u00ed kolegovia, ktor\u00ed s\u00fa samo\u017eivitelia rod\u00edn, ktor\u00ed tu pr\u00e1cu potrebuj\u00fa a napriek tomu boli tak z\u00fafal\u00ed, \u017ee t\u00fa v\u00fdpove\u010f dali, aby sa veci zmenili,\u201c hovor\u00ed v najnov\u0161ej epiz\u00f3de podcastu Neuml\u010dan\u00ed psychologi\u010dka trnavsk\u00e9ho centra Simona, ktor\u00e1 je presved\u010den\u00e1, \u017ee ak by sa zamestnanci neozvali, miestne deti by tam trpeli doteraz.\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-519b20a elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"519b20a\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tOkrem nej hovor\u00ed o detailoch jedn\u00e9ho z ned\u00e1vnych pr\u00edpadov \u00faradu aj profesion\u00e1lna n\u00e1hradn\u00e1 rodi\u010dka Jana. Ich men\u00e1 s\u00fa zmenen\u00e9 kv\u00f4li ochrane ich identity, ke\u010f\u017ee v tomto pr\u00edpade st\u00e1le prebieha trestn\u00e9 st\u00edhanie. Prokurat\u00fara v\u0161ak u\u017e za\u010diatkom augusta tzv. duchovn\u00fd program s okam\u017eitou platnos\u0165ou zru\u0161ila.\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-a4924de elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"a4924de\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tT\u00fato epiz\u00f3du pripravila M\u00e1ria Hunkov\u00e1. Ak n\u00e1m chcete posla\u0165 odkaz alebo tip na hos\u0165a, nap\u00ed\u0161te n\u00e1m sa neumlcani@oznamovatelia.sk\n\n\n&#8211;\n\n\n\nAk n\u00e1m chcete ozn\u00e1mi\u0165 poru\u0161ovanie z\u00e1kona v pr\u00e1ci, ktor\u00e9 m\u00e1 dopad na verejn\u00fd z\u00e1ujem, nap\u00ed\u0161te n\u00e1m cez n\u00e1s formul\u00e1r na na\u0161om webe www.oznamovatelia.sk.\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-385305a elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"385305a\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<iframe style=\"border-radius:12px\" src=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/embed\/episode\/5tdUviX34fBFFSlHJQA3MP?utm_source=generator\" width=\"100%\" height=\"152\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"\" allow=\"autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; fullscreen; picture-in-picture\" loading=\"lazy\"><\/iframe>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-fa6b249 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"fa6b249\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-bd43334\" data-id=\"bd43334\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-08ff4a0 elementor-widget elementor-widget-toggle\" data-id=\"08ff4a0\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"toggle.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-toggle\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-toggle-item\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div id=\"elementor-tab-title-9431\" class=\"elementor-tab-title\" data-tab=\"1\" role=\"button\" aria-controls=\"elementor-tab-content-9431\" aria-expanded=\"false\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"elementor-toggle-icon elementor-toggle-icon-left\" aria-hidden=\"true\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"elementor-toggle-icon-closed\"><i class=\"fas fa-caret-right\"><\/i><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"elementor-toggle-icon-opened\"><i class=\"elementor-toggle-icon-opened fas fa-caret-up\"><\/i><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a class=\"elementor-toggle-title\" tabindex=\"0\">Textov\u00fd prepis podcastu<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t<div id=\"elementor-tab-content-9431\" class=\"elementor-tab-content elementor-clearfix\" data-tab=\"1\" role=\"region\" aria-labelledby=\"elementor-tab-title-9431\"><p><strong>00:00:06,080 &#8211;&gt; 00:00:56,160 [M\u00e1ria Hunkov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>V \u0160t\u00e1tnom centre pre deti a rodiny v Trnave bol tlak na to, aby zamestnanci a profesion\u00e1lni n\u00e1hradn\u00ed rodi\u010dia vychov\u00e1vali zveren\u00e9 deti v pr\u00edsne kres\u0165anskej viere. Vychov\u00e1vania bez oh\u013eadu na svoje presved\u010denie museli d\u00e1va\u0165 de\u0165om na \u010delo kr\u00ed\u017eiky, nieko\u013ekokr\u00e1t denne sa s nimi modli\u0165 a n\u00e1bo\u017eensk\u00e9 stretnutia mali neraz prednos\u0165 pred vzdel\u00e1van\u00edm det\u00ed. Kr\u00e1tko potom, ako sa vo\u010di takzvan\u00e9mu duchovn\u00e9mu programu centra jedna profesion\u00e1lna n\u00e1hradn\u00e1 matka ohradila, nebola s \u0148ou pred\u013a\u017een\u00e1 pracovn\u00e1 zmluva a odobrali jej zo starostlivosti die\u0165a. Vtedy sa rozhodla o praktik\u00e1ch v domove prehovori\u0165 a rovnako aj \u010fal\u0161\u00ed zamestnanci. Dokonca padlo aj trestn\u00e9 ozn\u00e1menie. Po\u010d\u00favate podcast Neoml\u010dan\u00fd, ktor\u00fd v\u00e1m prin\u00e1\u0161a rozhovory so slovensk\u00fdmi whistleblowermi, teda s \u013eu\u010fmi, ktor\u00ed odhalili vo svojej pr\u00e1ci poru\u0161ovanie z\u00e1konov. Tento podcast pre v\u00e1s vytv\u00e1ra \u00darad na ochranu oznamovate\u013eov v produkcii denn\u00edka Sme. Moje meno je M\u00e1ria Hunkov\u00e1 a spolu so mnou s\u00fa tu dnes Jana a Simona. Dobr\u00fd de\u0148.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:00:56,160 &#8211;&gt; 00:01:02,000 [Jana]<\/strong><\/p><p>Dobr\u00fd de\u0148.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:01:02,060 &#8211;&gt; 00:01:33,480 [M\u00e1ria Hunkov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Na \u00favod upresn\u00edm, \u017ee teda Jana a Simona nie s\u00fa va\u0161e prav\u00e9 men\u00e1, ale rozhodli sme sa, \u017ee v\u00e1s tak budeme oslovova\u0165, aby sme ochr\u00e1nili va\u0161u identitu. Ka\u017edop\u00e1dne m\u00f4\u017eem poveda\u0165, \u017ee vy Jana, vy ste profesion\u00e1lna n\u00e1hradn\u00e1 matka, o ktorej som hovorila v \u00favode. Aa a vy Simona, vy ste psychologi\u010dka, ktor\u00e1 pracuje v trnavskom centre a podala trestn\u00e9 ozn\u00e1menie, k \u010domu sa ale teda ur\u010dite dostaneme. Chcela by som ale, aby sme na za\u010diatok posluch\u00e1\u010dom vysvetlili va\u0161u pracovn\u00fa poz\u00edciu a vz\u0165ah k trnavsk\u00e9mu centru Jana a \u010do je \u00falohou profesion\u00e1lneho n\u00e1hradn\u00e9ho rodi\u010da? \u010c\u00edm sa l\u00ed\u0161i od pest\u00fanka \u010di opatrovn\u00edka?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:01:33,480 &#8211;&gt; 00:02:03,020 [Jana]<\/strong><\/p><p>Ten hlavn\u00fd rozdiel je hlavne to, \u017ee profesion\u00e1lny n\u00e1hradn\u00fd rodi\u010d je zamestnancom Centra pre deti a rodiny. A to die\u0165a, vlastne on mus\u00ed teda r\u00e1ta\u0165 s t\u00fdm, \u017ee to die\u0165a nikdy nebude jeho, tak ako ke\u010f napr\u00edklad ho m\u00e1 v pest\u00fanskej alebo ho m\u00e1 v adopcii, tak my ako profesion\u00e1lni n\u00e1hradn\u00ed rodi\u010dia sme vlastne len to do\u010dasn\u00e9 rie\u0161enie, hej, \u017ee to die\u0165a nemus\u00ed by\u0165 v tom centre, nemus\u00ed by\u0165 na tej skupine, ale vidie\u0165 ten re\u00e1lny \u017eivot v tej rodine, ako t\u00e1 rodina vlastne funguje.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:02:03,020 &#8211;&gt; 00:02:04,280 [M\u00e1ria Hunkov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>M\u00e1te vlastn\u00e9 deti, \u00e1no?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:02:04,280 &#8211;&gt; 00:02:06,220 [Jana]<\/strong><\/p><p>\u00c1no, dve dospel\u00e9 u\u017e.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:02:06,220 &#8211;&gt; 00:02:09,740 [M\u00e1ria Hunkov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>A pre\u010do ste sa rozhodli vzia\u0165 si k sebe aj die\u0165a z detsk\u00e9ho domova?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:02:09,740 &#8211;&gt; 00:02:37,080 [Jana]<\/strong><\/p><p>Nikdy sme nemali ani v rodine nijak, \u017ee by sme rie\u0161ili nejak\u00e9 adopcie, pest\u00fanstva alebo deti z detsk\u00e9ho domova. Ani sme sa s t\u00fdm dokonca nestretali, ale ako tak moje vzdelanie u\u017e na za\u010diatku bolo t\u00fdmto smerom, \u017ee ja som vyu\u010den\u00e1 opatrovate\u013eka, potom som mala soci\u00e1lnu pr\u00e1cu, tak\u017ee ja som vedela o t\u00fdchto veciach. Nebolo to \u00faplne cudze pre m\u0148a. V\u017edycky ma to \u0165ahalo k nejakej takej pr\u00e1ci, k pom\u00e1haniu niekomu in\u00e9mu. Tak\u017ee za to sme sa teda vybrali touto cestou.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:02:37,080 &#8211;&gt; 00:02:38,320 [M\u00e1ria Hunkov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>\u010ci\u017ee \u017eivot to priniesol.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:02:38,320 &#8211;&gt; 00:02:39,660 [Jana]<\/strong><\/p><p>\u017divot nejako. [smiech]<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:02:39,660 &#8211;&gt; 00:02:46,900 [M\u00e1ria Hunkov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>A \u010do vy Simona, pre\u010do ste sa rozhodli pre profesion\u00e1lnu dr\u00e1hu psychologi\u010dky, teda detskej e\u0161te a e\u0161te aj teda v detskom domove?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:02:46,900 &#8211;&gt; 00:03:23,680 [Simona]<\/strong><\/p><p>Viacmenej ma to tak \u0165ahalo mo\u017eno k t\u00fdm de\u0165om tro\u0161ku v tom zmysle, \u017ee poch\u00e1dzam z rodiny u\u010dite\u013eky a v\u017edycky tie deti tak nejak tam v tom okol\u00ed boli, mojom. A potom som zbadala vlastne ponuku pr\u00e1ce teda do CDRka, alebo teda vtedy to bol e\u0161te detsk\u00fd domov. I\u0161la som to vysk\u00fa\u0161a\u0165 a vzali ma. [smiech] Tak\u017ee som si povedala, \u017ee nejak\u00e9, nejak\u00e9 sk\u00fasenosti naberiem a p\u00f4jdem zase \u010falej. No ale vzh\u013eadom na to, \u017ee som sa v tej pr\u00e1ci na\u0161la, \u017ee t\u00e1 pr\u00e1ca ma bav\u00ed a som naozaj rada za to, s ko\u013ek\u00fdmi vecami sa tam stretnem, tak u\u017e som to tam nejak, nejak zostala. [smiech]<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:03:23,680 &#8211;&gt; 00:03:26,060 [M\u00e1ria Hunkov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>A je n\u00e1ro\u010dnej\u0161ia pr\u00e1ca s de\u0165mi z domova?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:03:26,060 &#8211;&gt; 00:04:02,980 [Simona]<\/strong><\/p><p>Ur\u010dite s\u00fa n\u00e1chylnej\u0161ie na nejak\u00e9 probl\u00e9my, preto\u017ee okrem t\u00fdch be\u017en\u00fdch situ\u00e1ci\u00ed v \u017eivote, s ktor\u00fdmi sa ka\u017ed\u00fd mus\u00ed vyrovna\u0165, nau\u010di\u0165 sa nejak\u00fdm sp\u00f4sobom zvl\u00e1da\u0165 be\u017en\u00e9 stresy a tak \u010falej, tak tieto deti si e\u0161te nes\u00fa tak\u00fd bal\u00ed\u010dek r\u00f4znych traum, ktor\u00e9 im vlastne sp\u00f4sobilo to okolie a cez ktor\u00e9 si pre\u0161li. A preto maj\u00fa mo\u017eno viacej probl\u00e9mov so zvl\u00e1dan\u00edm niektor\u00fdch situ\u00e1ci\u00ed. Ve\u013eakr\u00e1t sa mo\u017eno hovor\u00ed, \u017ee tie deti s\u00fa probl\u00e9mov\u00e9, hej, ale ja to nem\u00e1m \u00faplne rada toto ozna\u010denie. Sk\u00f4r si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee s\u00fa to deti, ktor\u00e9 sa \u0165a\u017e\u0161ie vyrovn\u00e1vaj\u00fa s niektor\u00fdmi vecami a mo\u017eno potom reaguj\u00fa nie \u00faplne tak, ako by sme o\u010dak\u00e1vali, ale teda&#8230;<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:04:02,980 &#8211;&gt; 00:04:05,180 [M\u00e1ria Hunkov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>O ko\u013eko det\u00ed sa star\u00e1te v detskom domove?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:04:05,180 &#8211;&gt; 00:04:26,800 [Simona]<\/strong><\/p><p>Centrum celkovo m\u00e1 kapacitu 70 det\u00ed. My sme vlastne rozdelen\u00ed na pobytov\u00fa \u010das\u0165, takzvan\u00fa, to znamen\u00e1 samostatn\u00e9 usporiaden\u00e9 skupiny, kde funguj\u00fa vychovatelia v na\u0161ich priestoroch priamo v me\u0148ovej budove a staraj\u00fa sa o do desa\u0165 det\u00ed na jednej skupinke. Tam je vlastne okolo \u0161tyridsa\u0165 det\u00ed plus m\u00ednus a potom m\u00e1me teraz aktu\u00e1lne dvadsa\u0165p\u00e4\u0165 det\u00ed v profesion\u00e1lnych rodin\u00e1ch.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:04:26,800 &#8211;&gt; 00:04:29,340 [M\u00e1ria Hunkov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Jana, vy ste mali doteraz ko\u013eko det\u00ed z centra u seba?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:04:29,340 &#8211;&gt; 00:04:29,640 [Simona]<\/strong><\/p><p>Dve.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:04:29,640 &#8211;&gt; 00:04:33,360 [M\u00e1ria Hunkov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>A ako to ovplyvnilo chod va\u0161ej dom\u00e1cnosti a v\u00f4bec vz\u0165ahy v rodine?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:04:33,360 &#8211;&gt; 00:05:29,210 [Jana]<\/strong><\/p><p>Ve\u013emi. Pre\u0161li sme si ve\u013ekou zmenou v dom\u00e1cnosti, ale pozit\u00edvnou zmenou na po\u010dudovanie. \u00c1no, ve\u013emi n\u00e1s to ut\u00fa\u017eilo, mus\u00edm poveda\u0165. Sice nemali sme nikdy nejak\u00e9 konflikty doma alebo proste nie\u010do, \u017ee by sme sa h\u00e1dali, ale vlastne pr\u00edchodom t\u00fdch det\u00ed najsk\u00f4r toho jedn\u00e9ho, potom toho druh\u00e9ho. T\u00fdm, ke\u010f sme videli to spr\u00e1vanie toho die\u0165a\u0165a, museli sme ve\u013ea vec\u00ed, ve\u013ea probl\u00e9mov rie\u0161i\u0165, ktor\u00e9 sme dovtedy rie\u0161i\u0165 nemuseli. Neskuto\u010dne n\u00e1s to dalo viac dohromady a spr\u00fa\u017eilo to cel\u00fa rodinu. Ja som aj nesmierne v\u010fa\u010dn\u00e1, \u010di svojmu man\u017eelovi, \u010di mojim de\u0165om, teraz u\u017e vlastne aj ich priate\u013eom, lebo v\u0161etci museli pom\u00e1ha\u0165. Museli, boli pr\u00edtomn\u00ed pri r\u00f4znych nezvy\u010dajn\u00fdch situ\u00e1ci\u00e1ch, s ktor\u00fdmi sme sa dovtedy nestretli a v\u017edy st\u00e1li pri mne a v\u017edy ma podporili vo v\u0161etkom. Tak\u017ee ve\u013emi n\u00e1s to ut\u00fa\u017eilo e\u0161te viacej, ako sme boli.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:05:29,210 &#8211;&gt; 00:05:41,060 [M\u00e1ria Hunkov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>A po\u010fme teda k tomu d\u00f4vodu, pre ktor\u00fd ste\u013eav\u00e1s pri\u0161li o die\u0165a a pre ktor\u00fd ste vy Simona podali trestn\u00e9 ozn\u00e1menie. V \u00favode som spom\u00ednala, \u017ee v centre bol ve\u013ek\u00fd tlak na v\u00fdchovu det\u00ed v kres\u0165anskej viere. \u010co tak\u00e9 sa tam dialo?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:05:41,060 &#8211;&gt; 00:07:25,804 [Simona]<\/strong><\/p><p>Ono to tak viac menej za\u010d\u00ednalo pomaly, postupne. Na za\u010diatku to bolo v podstate celkom dobr\u00fd n\u00e1pad, po\u010fme deti vies\u0165 k viere.Hej, bolo to vlastne&#8211; v\u0161etci sme to tak brali, \u017ee aha, okej, super. Deti, ktor\u00e9 bud\u00fa chcie\u0165, po\u010fme ich vies\u0165 k viere. Super n\u00e1pad. Ale vlastne postupne to za\u010dalo nabera\u0165 tak\u00e9 obr\u00e1tky, \u017ee sme sa nest\u00edhali \u010dudova\u0165 aj my, niektor\u00ed zamestnanci a potom u\u017e teda vlastne v\u00e4\u010d\u0161ina zamestnancov. Ke\u010f spomeniem nejako mo\u017eno konkr\u00e9tne mo\u017eno oslavy Hallowenu hej, ja osobne nem\u00e1m probl\u00e9m s t\u00fdm, \u017ee keby u n\u00e1s v centre nebola oslava Hallowenu, ja si uvedomujem, \u017ee to nie je \u00faplne n\u00e1\u0161 sviatok a \u017ee teda je to proste nie\u010do, \u010do sa preber\u00e1 odniekia\u013e. Ale na\u0161e deti mali zak\u00e1zan\u00e9 napr\u00edklad z\u00fa\u010dast\u0148ova\u0165 sa halloweensk\u00fdch karnevalov aj v \u0161kol\u00e1ch, \u010di\u017ee dokonca a\u017e tak\u00fdm sp\u00f4sobom, \u017ee ak by ten Halloween bol niekedy po\u010das vyu\u010dovania alebo t\u00e1, t\u00e1 oslava, tak vlastne sa mali deti ospravedl\u0148ova\u0165 z toho a tak \u010falej. \u010co som brala u\u017e tro\u0161ku ako vylu\u010dovanie t\u00fdch det\u00ed z toho kolekt\u00edvu. Nehovoriac o tom, \u017ee vlastne v t\u00fdch pracovn\u00fdch mailoch, ktor\u00e9 n\u00e1m chodili oh\u013eadom tohto, tak boli odkazy na r\u00f4zne zvl\u00e1\u0161tne str\u00e1nky pre m\u0148a osobne, ktor\u00e9 ozna\u010dovali oslavy Hallowenu ako, ako oslavy satanizmu a podobn\u00e9 veci, \u010do teda si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee v pracovn\u00fdch mailoch nem\u00e1 \u00faplne priestor alebo mo\u017eno v \u0161t\u00e1tnom zriaden\u00ed nem\u00e1 \u00faplne priestor. Potom viem, \u017ee bola akcia anjelsk\u00fdch listov, ktor\u00e1 viem, \u017ee ju rob\u00ed. Mysl\u00edm, \u017ee s\u00fa oni ob\u010dianske zdru\u017eenie Dismas, \u010do v podstate m\u00e1 dobr\u00fa my\u0161lienku. To je to v podstate o tom, \u017ee sa deti modlia za v\u00e4z\u0148ov, ale u n\u00e1s to bolo viac menej pretl\u00e1\u010dan\u00e9, ve\u013emi direkt\u00edvne, \u017ee v\u0161etky deti sa do toho museli zapoji\u0165-<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:07:25,804 &#8211;&gt; 00:07:29,184 [M\u00e1ria Hunkov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Ale i\u0161lo teda iba o to, aby sa za ne ich modlili, za v\u00e4z\u0148ov, alebo \u010do sa&#8230;<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:07:29,184 &#8211;&gt; 00:08:01,074 [Simona]<\/strong><\/p><p>\u00c1no, ale bolo to, bolo to vlastne tak, \u017ee sa museli modli\u0165, \u017ee museli sa do toho zapoji\u0165 v\u0161etky deti, \u017ee museli sa modli\u0165 za t\u00fdch v\u00e4z\u0148ov, museli im p\u00edsa\u0165 nejak\u00e9 poh\u013eadnice s t\u00fdm, \u017ee bola kontrolovan\u00e1 kvalita t\u00fdch poh\u013eadn\u00ed, \u010do teda mi pr\u00edde ako pri v\u00fdtvoroch det\u00ed tro\u0161ku tak\u00e9 zvl\u00e1\u0161tne, hej minim\u00e1lne. A ke\u010f neboli posta\u010duj\u00face, tak teda museli by\u0165 prer\u00e1ban\u00e9 a prer\u00e1bali ich aj zamestnanci a museli ich prer\u00e1ba\u0165 zamestnanci. K tomu rovnako chodili pracovn\u00e9 maily, kde proste boli skritizovan\u00e9 niektor\u00e9 tie, tie diela a tak \u010falej a tak \u010falej.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:08:01,074 &#8211;&gt; 00:08:03,244 [M\u00e1ria Hunkov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>A kto hodnotil kvalitu t\u00fdch obr\u00e1zkov?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:08:03,244 &#8211;&gt; 00:08:06,244 [Simona]<\/strong><\/p><p>Pani riadite\u013eka b\u00fdvala teda v Centre pre deti a rodiny.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:08:06,244 &#8211;&gt; 00:08:08,664 [M\u00e1ria Hunkov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Jana, aj u v\u00e1s sa museli kresli\u0165 obr\u00e1zky v\u00e4z\u0148om?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:08:08,664 &#8211;&gt; 00:09:29,944 [Jana]<\/strong><\/p><p>\u00c1no, kreslili sme. Asi boli dobr\u00e9, lebo vr\u00e1ten\u00e9 n\u00e1m neboli. Ale teda ja som sa vyjadrovala, \u017ee to nie je dobr\u00e9 rie\u0161enie. Pre\u010do by mali tieto deti kresli\u0165 obr\u00e1zky pr\u00e1ve v\u00e4z\u0148om? S\u00fa pln\u00e9 domovy d\u00f4chodcov, \u013eud\u00ed, ktor\u00ed by si zasl\u00fa\u017eili tak\u00e9to obr\u00e1zky a tie\u017e \u010dakaj\u00fa na niekoho, \u017ee si na nich niekto spomenie. S\u00fa tu \u00fastavy pre ment\u00e1lne postihnut\u00fdch, takisto s\u00fa klienti, ktor\u00ed \u010dakaj\u00fa, \u017ee si na nich niekto spomenie. A ja som z\u00e1stancom toho, \u017ee t\u00edto \u013eudia by si zasl\u00fa\u017eili, aby mo\u017eno tak\u00e9to deti kreslili obr\u00e1zky, aby tieto deti, napr\u00edklad z t\u00fdch centier vedeli, \u017ee aj tak\u00edto \u013eudia s\u00fa medzi nami, \u017ee si ich treba v\u0161\u00edma\u0165 a nie \u013eu\u010fom, ktor\u00ed s\u00fa vo v\u00e4zniciach. Je s\u00edce pekn\u00e9, \u017ee sa niekto za nich modl\u00ed. Nem\u00e1m ni\u010d proti organiz\u00e1cii Dismass. Je to super, \u017ee sa n\u00e1jdu \u013eudia, ktor\u00ed myslia aj na tak\u00fdchto \u013eud\u00ed, ale nemalo by sa to tla\u010di\u0165 tak\u00fdmto de\u0165om, ako, ktor\u00e9 u\u017e maj\u00fa svoje traumy. In\u00e9 je to, ja beriem, ke\u010f m\u00e1 die\u0165a treb\u00e1rs rodi\u010da vo v\u00e4zen\u00ed a chceme ho vies\u0165 k tomu, aby tomu rodi\u010dovi odpustilo. Tak dobre. Ale pre\u010do cudz\u00e9mu v\u00e4z\u0148ovi kresli\u0165 obr\u00e1zky? A to e\u0161te k tomu sme vedeli, \u017ee to ide naj\u0165a\u017e\u0161\u00edm v\u00e4z\u0148om. Povedzme si, kto s\u00fa naj\u0165a\u017e\u0161\u00ed v\u00e4zni? Od vrahov cez pedofilov, cez ozaj naj\u0165a\u017e\u0161ie stavy. A my nevieme, komu tie obr\u00e1zky i\u0161li. My sme dostali meno, kto, ak\u00e9mu v\u00e4z\u0148ovi povie kresn\u00e9 meno. A to bolo v\u0161etko.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:09:29,944 &#8211;&gt; 00:09:31,944 [M\u00e1ria Hunkov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>A v\u00e4zni vedeli, od koho dost\u00e1vaj\u00fa obr\u00e1zok?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:09:31,944 &#8211;&gt; 00:09:55,584 [Simona]<\/strong><\/p><p>Viem k tomu poveda\u0165 len to\u013eko, lebo do tohto som sa ja a\u017e to\u013eko nezap\u00e1jala. Ale viem k tomu poveda\u0165 to\u013eko, \u017ee v tom pracovnom maily bolo v tej kritike uveden\u00e9 aj to, \u017ee deti tam maj\u00fa nap\u00edsa\u0165 kresn\u00e9 meno a vek. To znamen\u00e1, \u017ee pre m\u0148a ako die\u0165a, ke\u010f nap\u00ed\u0161e niekde kresn\u00e9 meno, vek a to, \u017ee je z CDR Trnava, tak u\u017e je pomerne asi identifikovate\u013en\u00e9 celkom. Mo\u017eno nie \u00faplne na prv\u00fa, ale ako-<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:09:55,584 &#8211;&gt; 00:10:01,144 [M\u00e1ria Hunkov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>E\u0161te mi napadaj\u00fa tak\u00e9 tie n\u00e1bo\u017eensk\u00e9 sviatosti r\u00f4zne. To sa ako oslavovalo v CDRku.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:10:01,144 &#8211;&gt; 00:10:32,194 [Simona]<\/strong><\/p><p>Sviatosti u n\u00e1s boli roben\u00e9 v podstate tento rok, tak\u00e9 hromadn\u00e9. Aj krsty boli, aj pr\u00edjmania a boli aj birmovky. Mnoh\u00e9 tie deti mali v\u0161etky tri, tie tri sviatosti naraz v jeden de\u0148. \u010co teda ja osobne vn\u00edmam tro\u0161ku tak minim\u00e1lne kontroverzne, preto\u017ee mi pr\u00edde, \u017ee tie sviatosti by mali by\u0165 pre to die\u0165a nie\u010do tak\u00e9 \u0161peci\u00e1lne, \u017ee malo by to by\u0165 nie\u010do tak\u00e9, \u010do to die\u0165a nejako hlboko pre\u017e\u00edva, \u017ee jednoducho tam je to t\u00e1 sl\u00e1vnos\u0165, ktor\u00e1, ktor\u00e1 sa deje a&#8230;<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:10:32,194 &#8211;&gt; 00:10:34,564 [M\u00e1ria Hunkov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>To bolo povinn\u00e9 pre v\u0161etky deti z CDRka?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:10:34,564 &#8211;&gt; 00:11:05,004 [Simona]<\/strong><\/p><p>Pod\u013ea mojich inform\u00e1ci\u00ed viac menej sa i\u0161lo do radu. Kto nemal krsty, tak, tak sa i\u0161lo do radu, hej \u017ee? Samozrejme, tam mysl\u00edm, \u017ee podmienka bola to, \u017ee ten podp\u00edsan\u00fd s\u00fahlas od t\u00fdch rodi\u010dov. Ale teda viem, \u017ee na tom krste nakoniec, neviem \u010di boli alebo sa len pripravovali, ale boli aj diev\u010dat\u00e1, kde nes\u00fahlasili rodi\u010dia. Bolo to viac menej \u00e1no, bolo to n\u00e1tlakov\u00e9, bolo to a hlavne si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee to bolo v mnoh\u00fdch pr\u00edpadoch aj, \u010do som ja po\u010d\u00favala od det\u00ed, ktor\u00e9 m\u00e1m v starostlivosti, \u017ee mnoh\u00e9 tie deti tomu ani nerozumeli, \u017ee bolo to tak\u00e9-<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:11:05,004 &#8211;&gt; 00:11:05,964 [M\u00e1ria Hunkov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>\u017de o \u010do vlastne ide.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:11:05,964 &#8211;&gt; 00:11:26,804 [Simona]<\/strong><\/p><p>\u00c1no, \u017ee t\u00e1 pr\u00edprava, ktor\u00e1 prebiehala, nie v\u017edy \u00faplne dbala na to, aby najm\u00e4 deti, ktor\u00e9 treb\u00e1rs s\u00fa ment\u00e1lne slab\u0161ie, tak pochopili, o \u010do vlastne ide, na \u010do to vlastne je, \u010do t\u00e1 sviatos\u0165 znamen\u00e1 a tak \u010falej. To m\u00e1m teda konkr\u00e9tne aj ja sk\u00fasenos\u0165, \u017ee sa ma na to deti p\u00fdtali, tak\u017ee asi zhruba asi t\u00fd\u017ede\u0148 pred t\u00fdmi sviatostiami, \u010do u\u017e bolo celkom neskoro.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:11:26,804 &#8211;&gt; 00:11:30,524 [M\u00e1ria Hunkov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Jana, videla som, \u017ee ste sa nad\u00fdchli, \u017ee ste asi chceli nie\u010do doplni\u0165 k t\u00fdmto sviatostiam.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:11:30,524 &#8211;&gt; 00:12:34,724 [Jana]<\/strong><\/p><p>Ja som na to upozor\u0148ovala u\u017e od za\u010diatku, \u017ee z \u00fastavy vypl\u00fdva, \u017ee nem\u00e1 u n\u00e1s nikto povinnos\u0165 ma\u0165 jedno vierovyznanie. A pre\u010do teda cel\u00e9 centrum je len v jednom vierovyznan\u00ed? Lebo z poh\u013eadu profi rodi\u010dov, pokia\u013e profi rodi\u010d bol in\u00e9ho vierovyznania, mal s t\u00fdm probl\u00e9my. Ja s\u00edce som r\u00edmskokatol\u00edckeho vierovyznania, ale o mne napr\u00edklad pani riadite\u013eka cel\u00fa dobu vedela, \u017ee nem\u00e1m teraz tak\u00e9 nastavenie, \u017ee nechod\u00edm tak do toho kostola. Napriek tomu som s t\u00fdm die\u0165a\u0165om do toho kostola musela \u00eds\u0165 a pokia\u013e by som ja ne\u0161la s n\u00edm, to sa t\u00fdkalo aj ostatn\u00fdch profi rodi\u010dov, tak mali sme si zohna\u0165 niekoho cudz\u00e9ho, kto to die\u0165a bude tam vodi\u0165. Tak ale ke\u010f ja m\u00e1m zodpovednos\u0165 za to die\u0165a, nem\u00f4\u017ee nikto odo m\u0148a o\u010dak\u00e1va\u0165, \u017ee ja budem za niekym chodi\u0165 a prosi\u0165 ho, aby mi to die\u0165a tam zobral a obzvl\u00e1\u0161\u0165, ke\u010f to die\u0165a mi tam nechce \u00eds\u0165. Nie som proti tomu, \u017ee ke\u010f mi pr\u00edde die\u0165a, ktor\u00e9 m\u00e1 vierovyznanie aj in\u00e9 a chce t\u00fdmto smerom \u00eds\u0165, ja ho budem podporova\u0165. Ale nem\u00f4\u017ee nikto o\u010dak\u00e1va\u0165, \u017ee pretvor\u00edm na to vierovyznanie zrazu cel\u00fa svoju rodinu, lebo zase by to bolo kontraprodukt\u00edvne pre moje deti, respekt\u00edve hodnoty, ktor\u00e9 my uzn\u00e1vame.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:12:34,724 &#8211;&gt; 00:12:42,324 [M\u00e1ria Hunkov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Ja som sa aj chcela sp\u00fdta\u0165, \u017ee ako v\u00e1m vlastne ten duchovn\u00fd program, akokeby zasahoval do tej starostlivosti o to die\u0165a, do toho chodu denn\u00e9ho?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:12:42,324 &#8211;&gt; 00:12:54,164 [Jana]<\/strong><\/p><p>Zasahoval napr\u00edklad t\u00fdm, \u017ee v sobotu o jeden\u00e1stej sme sa mali prip\u00e1ja\u0165 na Med\u017eugorie, vonku pekn\u00e9 po\u010dasie. My chceme \u00eds\u0165 s die\u0165a\u0165om von, m\u00e1me nejak\u00fd program? Nie, my sa m\u00e1me pripoji\u0165 na hodinku na Medjugorii.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:12:54,164 &#8211;&gt; 00:12:55,764 [M\u00e1ria Hunkov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>A \u010do to znamen\u00e1?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:12:55,764 &#8211;&gt; 00:14:38,343 [Jana]<\/strong><\/p><p>Modlili sa tam ru\u017eene, rozpr\u00e1vali sa tam o nejak\u00fdch n\u00e1bo\u017eensk\u00fdch veciach. Prizn\u00e1m sa, ja som sa toho ne\u00fa\u010dastnila, nechala som tam die\u0165a sedie\u0165 sam\u00e9. Zabsolvovalo to raz. Potom sme povedali, \u017ee teda nie, my nebudeme v soboty sedava\u0165 doma, ke\u010f my m\u00e1me svoje aktivity, chceme \u00eds\u0165 von. Potom sa zmenilo, teda \u017ee modlenie b\u00fdvalo ve\u010der. To hovor\u00edm ako die\u0165a, ktor\u00e9 chod\u00ed do \u0161koly, m\u00e1 sa pripravova\u0165 na spanok, o deviatej ide spa\u0165. Tak som povedala, \u017ee teda nie, \u017ee som proti tomu, teda \u017ee ni\u010d mu to nehovor\u00ed. Nebudeme sa tam prip\u00e1ja\u0165 o tak\u00fdch, v tak\u00fdch \u010dasoch.Vlastne. Ja som mala e\u0161te inform\u00e1ciu od inej profesion\u00e1lnej n\u00e1hradnej matky, ktor\u00e1 pr\u00e1ve bola, to je profi mamina, ktor\u00e1 je pomerne dos\u0165 tie\u017e zalo\u017een\u00e1, kres\u0165ansky. Tie deti takisto ve\u013emi dobrovo\u013ene kr\u00e1sne vedie k tomu vierovyznaniu. Tie deck\u00e1 sa z toho te\u0161ia a ona v podstate sa na tom Med\u017eugorie ob\u010das prip\u00e1jala u\u017e pred t\u00fdm, ne\u017e to bolo povinn\u00e9, aj spolu s t\u00fdmi de\u0165mi na t\u00fa detsk\u00fa skupinku. Ale ona mi napr\u00edklad rozpr\u00e1vala, \u017ee k\u00fdm to nebolo povinn\u00e9 u n\u00e1s, tak oni sa sem-tam pripojili a bolo to fajn. A ke\u010f nest\u00edhali, \u017ee boli niekde na nejakom v\u00fdlete alebo tak, tak sa proste nepripojili, ale \u017ee akon\u00e1hle pri\u0161lo to nariadenie, \u017ee to m\u00e1 by\u0165 povinn\u00e9, tak u\u017e boli aj oni v strese, hoci to bola aktivita, ktor\u00fa predt\u00fdm robili aj sami, lebo jednoducho zrazu tam museli by\u0165. T\u00e1 \u00fa\u010das\u0165 sa kontrolovala a ke\u010f to nest\u00edhali, tak u\u017e bolo zas stres a tak \u010falej. \u010ci\u017ee nebolo to len o t\u00fdch \u013eu\u010foch, ktor\u00ed akoby mo\u017eno neboli a\u017e tak silno veriaci, alebo jednoducho mali t\u00fa \u00farove\u0148 tej svojej viery niekde inde. Ale u\u017e aj t\u00ed \u013eudia, ktor\u00ed naozaj s\u00fa pomerne, \u017ee tou vierou \u017eij\u00fa a \u017ee, \u017ee t\u00fa vieru proste ve\u013emi pekn\u00fdm sp\u00f4sobom t\u00fdm de\u0165om odovzd\u00e1vaj\u00fa, tak mali v\u00fdhrady k t\u00fdm veciam, \u017ee u\u017e aj pre nich to bolo pr\u00edli\u0161.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:14:38,343 &#8211;&gt; 00:14:40,444 [M\u00e1ria Hunkov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Koho to bol n\u00e1pad ten duchovn\u00fd program?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:14:40,444 &#8211;&gt; 00:15:03,203 [Jana]<\/strong><\/p><p>Duchovn\u00fd program n\u00e1m pri\u0161iel e-mailom a dole pod n\u00edm bolo nap\u00edsan\u00e9 pani riadite\u013eka a boli tam e\u0161te asi \u0161tyria alebo piati kolegovia nap\u00edsan\u00ed. D\u00f4le\u017eit\u00e9 je v\u0161ak poveda\u0165, \u017ee jedna z t\u00fdch koleg\u00fd\u0148, ktor\u00e1 tam nap\u00edsan\u00e1 bola mi po celom tom, \u010do sa odohralo, povedala, \u017ee ten duchovn\u00fd program videla a\u017e v momente, ke\u010f bol medializovan\u00fd.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:15:03,204 &#8211;&gt; 00:15:13,363 [M\u00e1ria Hunkov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Jan\u00e1, vy m\u00e1te aj nejak\u00e9 inform\u00e1cie od in\u00fdch profesion\u00e1lnych n\u00e1hradn\u00fdch rodi\u010dov? Alebo bavili ste sa v\u00f4bec medzi sebou niekedy o tom, \u017ee \u010do za novinka sa tu zaviedla pri v\u00fdchove det\u00ed?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:15:13,363 &#8211;&gt; 00:16:03,644 [Jana]<\/strong><\/p><p>Samozrejme, my ako profi rodi\u010dia sme sa ve\u013emi u\u017e potom o tom bavili, preto\u017ee n\u00e1m to zasahovalo do be\u017en\u00e9ho \u017eivota. Nebola som jedin\u00e1, kto musel s de\u0165mi doch\u00e1dza\u0165 do centra ka\u017ed\u00fd t\u00fd\u017ede\u0148 na n\u00e1uky, predt\u00fdm ne\u017e mali \u00eds\u0165 na tie sviatosti. Vlastne t\u00ed, ktor\u00ed boli pre pani riadite\u013eku dostato\u010dne n\u00e1bo\u017eensk\u00ed a vedeli by deti vies\u0165 z domu, tak t\u00ed nemuseli. My, \u010do sme boli vyhodnoten\u00ed, \u017ee to nezvl\u00e1dneme, tak sme museli ka\u017ed\u00fd t\u00fd\u017ede\u0148 chodi\u0165 na tie, na pr\u00edpravy, \u010do znamenalo, \u017ee keby sme sa nez\u00fa\u010dastnili, je to probl\u00e9m z toho h\u013eadiska, \u017ee ak die\u0165a m\u00e1 nejak\u00fd kr\u00fa\u017eok alebo ak die\u0165a sa potrebuje u\u010di\u0165 do \u0161koly, to ide v\u0161etko bokom. V prvom rade mus\u00ed sa die\u0165a z\u00fa\u010dastni\u0165 n\u00e1uky.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:16:03,644 &#8211;&gt; 00:16:11,164 [M\u00e1ria Hunkov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>To prakticky znamen\u00e1, \u017ee ke\u010f napr\u00edklad die\u0165a malo nejak\u00fd kr\u00fa\u017eok v \u0161kole alebo nie\u010do, tak vy ste ho mali ospravedlni\u0165, vyzdvihn\u00fa\u0165 a is\u0165 s n\u00edm do Trnavy.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:16:11,164 &#8211;&gt; 00:17:00,884 [Jana]<\/strong><\/p><p>\u00c1no, re\u00e1lne profi rodi\u010dia, ktor\u00ed maj\u00fa die\u0165a, ktor\u00e9 ved\u00fa v ZU\u0160ke ho maj\u00fa. Die\u0165a sa pripravovalo u\u017e pred t\u00fdm dlh\u0161iu dobu na vyst\u00fapenie. Mali s t\u00fdm ve\u013ek\u00e9 probl\u00e9my, preto\u017ee zrazu die\u0165a sa nesmelo pripravova\u0165, dokonca sa sna\u017eili vybavi\u0165 aspo\u0148 to, aby to die\u0165a chodilo nesk\u00f4r na t\u00fa pr\u00edpravu do toho centra, \u017ee aby st\u00edhalo aj t\u00fa z\u00e1kladn\u00fa umeleck\u00fa \u0161kolu. Nebolo mu to umo\u017enen\u00e9. V prvom rade muselo chodi\u0165 na tie stretnutia do toho centra. A \u010do by som e\u0161te tak k tomu d\u00f4le\u017eit\u00e9 podotkla je to \u0161tyridsa\u0165 a\u017e p\u00e4\u0165desiat kilometrov tam, \u0161tyridsa\u0165 a\u017e p\u00e4\u0165desiat kilometrov nasp\u00e4\u0165. Pre n\u00e1s napr\u00edklad s die\u0165a\u0165om to znamenalo u\u010di\u0165 sa v aute, pr\u00eds\u0165 domov, stihlo sa poum\u00fdva\u0165 a i\u0161lo spa\u0165. Pr\u00edprava do \u0161koly bola niekde \u00faplne bokom a my sme mali s u\u010den\u00edm teda ve\u013ek\u00e9 probl\u00e9my, aby sme sa st\u00edhali u\u010di\u0165.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:17:00,884 &#8211;&gt; 00:17:03,824 [M\u00e1ria Hunkov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Pam\u00e4t\u00e1te si, kedy ste sa ozvali vo\u010di t\u00fdmto praktik\u00e1m?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:17:03,824 &#8211;&gt; 00:18:08,144 [Jana]<\/strong><\/p><p>Prv\u00fdkr\u00e1t, ke\u010f som mala s \u0148ou rozhovor oh\u013eadom t\u00fdchto vec\u00ed, to bolo kv\u00f4li tomu Hallowenu, kedy ja u\u017e&#8230; U\u017e mi to bolo tak\u00e9, \u017ee nechcela som robi\u0165 probl\u00e9my ani v \u0161kole, pokia\u013e by vyrez\u00e1vali tekvice, nep\u00e1\u010dilo sa mi to ani doma t\u00fdm, \u017ee ja si napr\u00edklad dom\u00e1cnos\u0165 vyzdobujem, \u010do sa t\u00fdka aj s vyrez\u00e1van\u00fdmi tekvicami. A teraz som zostala, hovor\u00edm tak, ako mne ide niekto rozkazova\u0165, \u010di m\u00e1m, nem\u00e1m, ale chcela som to st\u00e1le slu\u0161ne odkomunikova\u0165. Porozpr\u00e1vali sme sa o tom s pani riadite\u013ekou, aj som jej teda povedala, \u017ee tieto n\u00e1bo\u017eensk\u00e9 veci ja nem\u00e1m \u00faplne tak v sebe a ona to vedela, ona dokonca ke\u010f ma prij\u00edmala, tak vedela o tom, \u017ee to nem\u00e1m tak v sebe, \u017ee teda dok\u00e1\u017eem t\u00fdm de\u0165om da\u0165 ve\u013emi ve\u013ea, ale \u010do sa t\u00fdka vierovyznania, som ochotn\u00e1 \u00eds\u0165 aj touto cestou, ale m\u00f4j n\u00e1zor je tak\u00fd, \u017ee vierovyznanie sa m\u00e1 \u017ei\u0165, \u017ee musia to tie deti c\u00edti\u0165 a nie ma\u0165 to rozkazom. Tak\u017ee prv\u00fd m\u00f4j rozhovor bol teda s pani riadite\u013ekou po\u010das toho, ke\u010f sa rie\u0161il ten Halloween.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:18:08,144 &#8211;&gt; 00:18:09,244 [M\u00e1ria Hunkov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Pochopila to?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:18:09,283 &#8211;&gt; 00:18:37,543 [Jana]<\/strong><\/p><p>Mala som pocit, \u017ee \u00e1no. Rozl\u00fa\u010dili sme sa \u00faplne priate\u013esky, no ale potom som zistila, \u017ee po mojom rozhovore si to odniesli soci\u00e1lne pracovn\u00ed\u010dky, ktor\u00fdm bolo povedan\u00e9, \u017ee si ma nevedia uprata\u0165. To v\u017edycky sa tak praktizovalo, \u017ee pokia\u013e sa profi rodi\u010d akoko\u013evek ozval, to som zistila teda a\u017e po \u010dase, povedal si nejak\u00fd svoj n\u00e1zor pred pani riadite\u013ekou alebo neurobil nie\u010do presne pod\u013ea toho, ako malo by\u0165, tak<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:18:37,543 &#8211;&gt; 00:19:40,434 [Jana]<\/strong><\/p><p>bolo povedan\u00e9, \u017ee si n\u00e1s nevedia uprata\u0165. Pokia\u013e die\u0165a neurobilo to, \u010do sa o\u010dak\u00e1va, \u010do o\u010dak\u00e1vala pani riadite\u013eka, tak profi rodi\u010d zlyhal. Rob\u00ed zl\u00fa robotu. S t\u00fdm sa teda aj vysvet\u013euje, pre\u010do profi rodi\u010dia sa sna\u017eili, pre\u010do sme sa v\u0161etci sna\u017eili robi\u0165 tak, aby bolo dobre, lebo tak nikto nechce zlyha\u0165, hej? To bol tam ten prv\u00fd rozhovor. No a potom do\u0161lo, teda v decembri sme mali superv\u00edziu, tam m\u00e1me extern\u00e9ho psychol\u00f3ga, ktor\u00fd sa s nami rozpr\u00e1va, \u017ee on teda sleduje, \u010di nie sme nejak vyhoret\u00ed pracovne a ak\u00e9 m\u00e1me probl\u00e9my. No a na tej superv\u00edzii som sa ohl\u00e1sila medzi prv\u00fdmi, \u017ee teda ja pod\u013ea m\u00f4jho us\u00fadenia u\u017e sa tu robia veci, ktor\u00e9 by sa robi\u0165 nemali. Na to sa pridali \u010fal\u0161\u00ed profi rodi\u010dia, ktor\u00fdm sa niektor\u00e9 veci teda nep\u00e1\u010dili. Boli sme v tom, \u017ee teda&#8230;Superv\u00edzia teda skon\u010d\u00ed, bude sa h\u013eada\u0165 nejak\u00e9 rie\u0161enie. Dokonca navrhla e\u0161te tak\u00fa variantu, aby pani riadite\u013eka pri\u0161la za nami, aby s nami nejako komunikovala.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:19:40,434 &#8211;&gt; 00:19:41,184 [M\u00e1ria Hunkov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>A stalo sa tak?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:19:41,184 &#8211;&gt; 00:19:48,043 [Jana]<\/strong><\/p><p>Nestalo sa. Stalo sa jedine to, \u017ee po tej superv\u00edzii zostalo ticho. Tri mesiace \u00fapln\u00e9 ticho.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:19:48,043 &#8211;&gt; 00:19:48,984 [M\u00e1ria Hunkov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Ticho pred b\u00farkou.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:19:48,984 &#8211;&gt; 00:20:34,624 [Jana]<\/strong><\/p><p>\u00c1no, nazvali sme to ticho pred b\u00farkou. My sme potom zistili, \u017ee pani riadite\u013eka vedela v\u0161etko, \u010do sa na tej superv\u00edzii dialo, preto\u017ee v marci syna spojenom za\u010dala vola\u0165. Po jednom n\u00e1m d\u00e1vala podpisova\u0165 papiere, ktor\u00e9 s\u00edce \u00e1no, pod\u013ea z\u00e1kona sa museli, preto\u017ee v janu\u00e1ri vy\u0161iel z\u00e1kon o profesion\u00e1lnych n\u00e1hradn\u00fdch rodi\u010doch, ku ktor\u00e9mu bolo treba spravi\u0165 dodatky. Ale v t\u00fdch papieroch, ktor\u00e9 sme my podpisovali, bola klauzula o vierovyznan\u00ed, ktor\u00e1 tam v\u00f4bec nemala by\u0165. No a ja som u\u017e aj tam vtedy povedala, ke\u010f si ma teda zavolali, dali mi to pre\u010d\u00edta\u0165, \u017ee \u010di s t\u00fdm s\u00fahlas\u00edm. Tak som teda povedala, \u017ee mne sa toto nep\u00e1\u010di, \u017ee m\u00e1m v\u00fdhradu vo\u010di tomu vierovyznaniu, \u010do tam je a ja teda ten papier podpisova\u0165 nebudem.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:20:34,624 &#8211;&gt; 00:20:37,283 [M\u00e1ria Hunkov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>To bol moment, kedy v\u00e1m nepred\u013a\u017eili zmluvu?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:20:37,283 &#8211;&gt; 00:21:11,403 [Jana]<\/strong><\/p><p>Nie e\u0161te vtedy nie. Vtedy to bolo tak, \u017ee pokia\u013e ja ten papier nepodp\u00ed\u0161em, tak die\u0165a sa bude musie\u0165 okam\u017eite vr\u00e1ti\u0165 na skupinu. \u017de nebudem m\u00f4c\u0165 by\u0165 u m\u0148a v profi rodine, ale budem musie\u0165 \u00eds\u0165 na t\u00fa samostatne usporiadan\u00fa skupinu priamo do centra. Len\u017ee t\u00fdm, \u017ee nemali miesto, tak teda mi bolo pon\u00faknut\u00e9, aby som povedala, \u010do dok\u00e1\u017eem zaakceptova\u0165 z toho vierovyznania, lebo v\u0161etko ostatn\u00e9 som povedala Nem\u00e1m probl\u00e9m. Boli tam veci, ktor\u00e9 tam musia by\u0165, tak\u017ee akceptujem. Ale \u010do sa t\u00fdka vierovyznania, sme sa teda dohodli na tom, \u017ee som ochotn\u00e1 vies\u0165 to die\u0165a do kostola a privies\u0165 ho teda k birmovke.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:21:11,404 &#8211;&gt; 00:21:20,004 [M\u00e1ria Hunkov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>\u010ci\u017ee vy ste sa dohodli na nejakom kompromise. A teraz po\u010fme k tomu, \u017ee teda ako sa stalo to, \u017ee vy ste vlastne nepokra\u010dovali v tej spolupr\u00e1ci, v\u00e1m zobrali to die\u0165a?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:21:20,004 &#8211;&gt; 00:22:22,944 [Jana]<\/strong><\/p><p>Ja som \u017eiadala o rozhovor s pani riadite\u013ekou, ke\u010f mi mala kon\u010di\u0165 pracovn\u00e1 zmluva. Chcela som vedie\u0165, ak\u00e1 je predstava tej cesty \u010falej. Ne\u0161lo mi o to, \u017ee mne je jedno, \u010di tam budem zamestnan\u00e1, nebudem zamestnan\u00e1. T\u00fdm, \u017ee ja m\u00e1m svoju \u017eivnos\u0165, viem fungova\u0165 aj bez tejto pr\u00e1ce. Ale i\u0161lo mi o to die\u0165a, aby sa tam vr\u00e1ti\u0165 nemuselo. Ale mi bolo teda povedan\u00e9, \u017ee pani riadite\u013eka sa so mnou rozpr\u00e1va\u0165 nechce. Bolo mi dokonca odk\u00e1zan\u00e9, \u017ee sa nem\u00e1 o \u010dom so mnou rozpr\u00e1va\u0165. A ke\u010f\u017ee bol necel\u00fd mesiac predt\u00fdm, ne\u017e mne kon\u010dila pracovn\u00e1 zmluva a odpove\u010f st\u00e1le \u017eiadna, \u010di teda ja pokra\u010dujem alebo nie a bolo treba die\u0165a pripravova\u0165 na to, \u010di ide nasp\u00e4\u0165 na skupinu alebo nie a die\u0165a od\u00eds\u0165 nechcelo, tak mi nezost\u00e1valo ni\u010d in\u00e9. Nap\u00edsala som list na \u00fastredie s po\u017eiadavkou, aby \u00fastredie kontaktovalo pani riadite\u013eku a aby im dala vyjadrenie, \u010di so mnou po\u010d\u00edta \u010falej alebo nie. Mus\u00edm podotkn\u00fa\u0165, \u017ee v tej chv\u00edli, ke\u010f mne kon\u010dila pracovn\u00e1 zmluva, bola kapacita dvan\u00e1stich profi rodi\u010dov v centre. Ja som bola desiata a napriek tomu mne t\u00e1 zmluva nebola pred\u013a\u017een\u00e1.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:22:22,944 &#8211;&gt; 00:22:28,004 [M\u00e1ria Hunkov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>\u010ci\u017ee bol nedostatok profesion\u00e1lnych n\u00e1hradn\u00fdch rodi\u010dov a napriek tomu v\u00e1m zmluva nebola pred\u013a\u017een\u00e1 a die\u0165a odi\u0161lo<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:22:28,004 &#8211;&gt; 00:22:31,184 [Jana]<\/strong><\/p><p>A die\u0165a sa muselo vr\u00e1ti\u0165 na skupinu napriek tomu, \u017ee neskuto\u010dne nechcelo.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:22:31,184 &#8211;&gt; 00:23:05,783 [M\u00e1ria Hunkov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Pripetrnovsk\u00e9ho centra bol aj medializovan\u00fd a vyjadrila sa k nemu aj samotn\u00e1 riadite\u013eka poskytla asi hodinov\u00fd rozhovor jedn\u00e9mu ob\u010dianskemu zdru\u017eeniu, ktor\u00e9 vysiela na web. Spom\u00ednala v \u0148om napr\u00edklad, \u017ee aj centrum malo s\u00fahlasy od rodi\u010dov det\u00ed. To ste aj vy Simona spom\u00ednali, aby ich vychovali v kres\u0165anskej viere, \u017ee do Med\u017eugorie sa chodilo aj predt\u00fdm, nie \u017ee to nebolo ako prv\u00fd rok a duchovn\u00fd program bola teda aj pod\u013ea m\u0148a jej kolegy\u0148a na pr\u00e1ci a nie nejak\u00fd jej vlastn\u00fd v\u00fdmysel, \u017ee zamestnanci d\u00e1vali pozit\u00edvne sp\u00e4tn\u00e9 v\u00e4zby. Simona, ako vn\u00edmate tieto tvrdenia? Sk\u00fasme napr\u00edklad vysvetli\u0165, pre\u010do n\u00e1v\u0161tevu Med\u017eugorie zamestnanci teraz po poslednej n\u00e1v\u0161teve vn\u00edmali ako probl\u00e9m.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:23:05,783 &#8211;&gt; 00:24:46,264 [Jana]<\/strong><\/p><p>Treba poveda\u0165, \u017ee boli tri cesty z SED do Med\u017eugoria. Jedna z nich bola e\u0161te v roku 2021 ako teambuilding zamestnancov, ktor\u00fd bol ale dobrovo\u013en\u00fd. Deti boli v Med\u017eugorii dvakr\u00e1t. Prv\u00fdkr\u00e1t minul\u00fd rok v 2022 pred letom a druh\u00fdkr\u00e1t vlastne teraz. Treba poveda\u0165, \u017ee medzi t\u00fdmi dvoma n\u00e1v\u0161tevami Med\u017eugoria, \u010do sa t\u00fdka t\u00fdch det\u00ed, boli v\u00fdrazn\u00e9 rozdiely, ktor\u00e9 ja tam vn\u00edmam. T\u00e1 prv\u00e1 n\u00e1v\u0161teva e\u0161te pred vy\u0161e rokom tam bolo, pokia\u013e m\u00e1m spr\u00e1vne inform\u00e1cie, \u0161estn\u00e1s\u0165 det\u00ed, z toho p\u00e4\u0165 det\u00ed bolo v profesion\u00e1lnych n\u00e1hradn\u00fdch rod\u00edn. Die\u0165a sa tam vyberali nejak\u00fdm sp\u00f4sobom, v podstate aj na b\u00e1ze dobrovo\u013enosti, hej, \u017ee tam e\u0161te sa nejak\u00fdm sp\u00f4sobom mo\u017eno bral oh\u013ead na to, \u017ee kto tam chce \u00eds\u0165, nechce \u00eds\u0165, \u017ee aj ten program bol usp\u00f4soben\u00fd viacej vlastne t\u00fdm men\u0161\u00edm de\u0165om a tak \u010falej. V tejto druhej n\u00e1v\u0161teve tento rok, \u010do boli deti, tak tam u\u017e bolo \u0161tyridsa\u0165tri det\u00ed. To znamen\u00e1, \u017ee to u\u017e bola masov\u00e1 akcia, ktor\u00e1 bola poprv\u00e9 ohl\u00e1sen\u00e1 dos\u0165 neskoro, pred t\u00fdm, ne\u017e sa odch\u00e1dzalo. To znamen\u00e1, \u017ee mnoh\u00e9 deti u\u017e mali v r\u00e1mci \u0161k\u00f4l napl\u00e1novan\u00e9 \u0161kolsk\u00e9 v\u00fdlety koncoro\u010dne, lebo to bolo e\u0161te v r\u00e1mci j\u00fana a tie deck\u00e1 sa na tie v\u00fdlety te\u0161ili. Mali sme tam die\u0165a z profi rodiny, ktor\u00e9 kon\u010dilo v podstate prv\u00fd stupe\u0148, \u010di\u017ee odch\u00e1dzalo z malotriedky dedinskej, odch\u00e1dzalo do inej \u0161koly na druh\u00fd stupe\u0148 a fotografovali sa na tablo v tom term\u00edne, kedy tie deti mali \u00eds\u0165 do toho Med\u017eugoria. To die\u0165a bolo ve\u013emi sklaman\u00e9 z toho, \u017ee na tom, na tej fotke nie je, preto\u017ee t\u00e1 \u0161kola si tie tabl\u00e1 ve\u0161ia tam jednoducho v\u0161etci t\u00ed spolu\u017eiaci tam boli, len teda ono nie. A mnoh\u00e9 tie deti sa vyjadrovali, \u017ee nechc\u00fa \u00eds\u0165, \u017ee by rad\u0161ej \u0161li s t\u00fdmi svojimi spolu\u017eiakmi na tie v\u00fdlety. Nebol na to bran\u00e9 oh\u013ead. Deti jednoducho museli \u00eds\u0165.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:24:46,264 &#8211;&gt; 00:24:49,603 [M\u00e1ria Hunkov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>\u010co sa tam robilo? Lebo pani riadite\u013eka hovor\u00ed, \u017ee v\u0161ak sa aj ok\u00fapali.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:24:49,603 &#8211;&gt; 00:25:30,703 [Jana]<\/strong><\/p><p>\u00c1no, [smiech] mysl\u00edm si, \u017ee neviem to presne poveda\u0165 teraz, ale mysl\u00edm si, \u017ee posledn\u00fd de\u0148 sa ok\u00fapali, ale teda viacer\u00e9 tie deti hovorili, \u017ee ani ve\u013emi, ako\u017ee sa im do tej vody nechcelo, lebo\u017ee to u\u017e bolo tak\u00e9, \u017ee u\u017e boli aj unaven\u00ed aj v\u0161etko, ale teda tam preva\u017ene aj kolegovia, ktor\u00ed tam boli, spom\u00ednali, \u017ee ten program naozaj nebol usp\u00f4soben\u00fd t\u00fdm de\u0165om, \u017ee cel\u00e9 dni v r\u00e1mci toho Med\u017eugoria boli nejak\u00e9 akcie n\u00e1bo\u017eensk\u00e9, \u017ee mnoh\u00e9 tie modlitby a tie ador\u00e1cie trvali aj do polnoci. \u017de-\u017ee tie deti tam u\u017e zasp\u00e1vali pomaly a potom, pr\u00edpadne ke\u010f sa i\u0161lo hore na t\u00fa horu, \u010do teda je po skal\u00e1ch, vyslovene hore, tak tie deti vst\u00e1vali o piatej r\u00e1no, \u010di\u017ee oni do polnoci boli na ador\u00e1cii a potom o piatej&#8230;<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:25:30,823 &#8211;&gt; 00:25:44,164 [Simona]<\/strong><\/p><p>R\u00e1no vst\u00e1vali na to, aby i\u0161li na t\u00faru hore kopcom, ktor\u00e1 je pomerne ako n\u00e1ro\u010dn\u00e1. Ja som ju teda absolvovala v tom dvetis\u00edcdvadsiatom prvom a m\u00f4\u017eem za seba poveda\u0165, \u017ee je n\u00e1ro\u010dn\u00e1 pre \u013eud\u00ed, ktor\u00ed nie s\u00fa mo\u017eno zvyknut\u00ed beha\u0165 po hor\u00e1ch.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:25:44,164 &#8211;&gt; 00:25:51,483 [M\u00e1ria Hunkov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>A ako to bolo s t\u00fdmi s\u00fahlasmi od rodi\u010dov? Vlastne, \u017ee centrum malo s\u00fahlasy od rodi\u010dov, aby vychov\u00e1vali deti v tej kres\u0165anskej viere.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:25:51,484 &#8211;&gt; 00:26:32,384 [Simona]<\/strong><\/p><p>\u00c1no, tam je podstatn\u00e9 poveda\u0165 jednu vec, \u017ee tie s\u00fahlasy sa podpisovali a d\u00e1vali podpisova\u0165 rodi\u010dom e\u0161te v obdob\u00ed, kedy nebol zostaven\u00fd nejak\u00fd konkr\u00e9tny duchovn\u00fd program. To znamen\u00e1, \u017ee ani t\u00ed samotn\u00ed soci\u00e1lni pracovn\u00edci, ktor\u00ed tie s\u00fahlasy d\u00e1vali podpisova\u0165, netu\u0161ili, do ak\u00e9ho rozsahu vlastne toto p\u00f4jde. A tie s\u00fahlasy boli vyslovene na to, aby chodili deti na n\u00e1bo\u017eenstvo v \u0161kol\u00e1ch, aby vlastne boli veden\u00e9 k sviatostiam, k vysluhovaniu sviatost\u00ed a aby boli veden\u00e9 ku kres\u0165anskej alebo r\u00edmskokatol\u00edckej viere. S t\u00fdm, \u017ee tam je, toto je to podstatn\u00e9, \u017ee, \u017ee nikto tam nevedel ten rozsah. To znamen\u00e1, \u017ee ani t\u00ed rodi\u010dia v princ\u00edpe nemohli dosta\u0165 t\u00fa inform\u00e1ciu, v akom rozsahu to bolo.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:26:32,384 &#8211;&gt; 00:26:34,524 [M\u00e1ria Hunkov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>T\u00ed biologick\u00ed rodi\u010dia v\u00f4bec sa zauj\u00edmaj\u00fa o to?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:26:34,524 &#8211;&gt; 00:28:24,844 [Simona]<\/strong><\/p><p>Rozpr\u00e1vala som sa o tomto s kolegom, ktor\u00fd mi rozpr\u00e1val, \u017ee viete, \u017ee ke\u010f pr\u00edde to die\u0165a do toho centra, tam pr\u00edde ten rodi\u010d a pre neho je to samotn\u00e9ho niekedy \u0165a\u017ek\u00e1 situ\u00e1cia. T\u00fdch papierov sa tam podpisuje dos\u0165, vtedy. \u010ci\u017ee nie je mo\u017eno \u00faplne priestor na to, aby ten rodi\u010d pochopil, najm\u00e4 ke\u010f mo\u017eno nie je \u00faplne zdatn\u00fd, \u010do v\u0161etko tam podpisuje, ak\u00fdm sp\u00f4sobom a tak \u010falej. \u010ci\u017ee je ot\u00e1zne, mo\u017eno do akej miery si uvedomovali t\u00ed rodi\u010dia, \u017ee \u010do vlastne podpisuje, do akej miery sa to t\u00fdch det\u00ed bude t\u00fdka\u0165. A hlavne treba poveda\u0165, \u017ee ke\u010f sa podpisovali s\u00fahlasy, tak v\u0161etci t\u00ed \u013eudia, ktor\u00ed o tom vedeli, sa e\u0161te st\u00e1le boli v tej f\u00e1ze, \u017ee, \u017ee, \u017ee t\u00fdm, \u017ee nevedeli ten rozsah, do ktor\u00e9ho to p\u00f4jde, tak boli aj celkom radi, \u017ee teda \u00e1no, naozaj ideme vies\u0165 deti k viere, tie, ktor\u00e9 bud\u00fa chcie\u0165 dobrovo\u013ene a tak \u010falej. Budeme sa tomu venova\u0165, bude to super. A potom zostali v \u0161oku z toho, \u017ee naozaj to bolo direkt\u00edvne, povinne, v\u0161etky deti, hej? \u010ci\u017ee toto bol ten, ten, ten z\u00e1klad. \u010ci\u017ee tie s\u00fahlasy jednak boli podpisovan\u00e9 sk\u00f4r a jednak boli aj rodi\u010dia, ktor\u00ed nes\u00fahlasili. To je mo\u017eno podstatn\u00e9 poveda\u0165. A v \u010dom ja vn\u00edmam tak\u00fd ve\u013emi ve\u013ek\u00fd mor\u00e1lny rozpor v tomto je to, \u017ee pani riadite\u013eka sa ve\u013emi opiera o to, \u017ee tie s\u00fahlasy m\u00e1, ale v momente, ke\u010f t\u00ed rodi\u010dia nes\u00fahlasili, teraz hovor\u00edm o jednom konkr\u00e9tnom pr\u00edpade, tak sa obr\u00e1tila s ot\u00e1zkou na detsk\u00e9ho ombudsmana, kde sa sna\u017eila zisti\u0165, \u017ee \u010di je d\u00f4le\u017eitej\u0161\u00ed n\u00e1zor die\u0165a\u0165a alebo je d\u00f4le\u017eitej\u0161\u00ed s\u00fahlas od rodi\u010da a to vyjadrenie detsk\u00e9ho ombudsmana bolo v zmysle, \u017ee je d\u00f4le\u017eitej\u0161\u00ed n\u00e1zor die\u0165a\u0165a. Len\u017ee v momente, kedy t\u00ed rodi\u010dia s\u00fahlas podp\u00edsali, tak u\u017e nikto n\u00e1zory die\u0165a\u0165a nesk\u00famal. To znamen\u00e1, ke\u010f rodi\u010dia s\u00fahlasili, tak n\u00e1zory die\u0165a\u0165a sa nesk\u00famali, aj ke\u010f deti nechceli v mnoh\u00fdch pr\u00edpadoch, ale ke\u010f rodi\u010d nes\u00fahlasil, tak potom teda ako\u017ee deti chc\u00fa, tak\u017ee a toto je pod\u013ea m\u0148a ve\u013ek\u00fd mor\u00e1lny rozpor.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:28:24,844 &#8211;&gt; 00:28:30,244 [M\u00e1ria Hunkov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>A ke\u010f vlastne bolo die\u0165a, kde nebol ten podpis, tak aj ono sa muselo z\u00fa\u010dast\u0148ova\u0165 t\u00fdch aktiv\u00edt.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:28:30,244 &#8211;&gt; 00:28:54,514 [Simona]<\/strong><\/p><p>Tie usmernenia boli vyslovene tak\u00e9, \u017ee dobre nebude chodi\u0165 do kostola, ale bude st\u00e1\u0165 pred kostolom. Dobre, nebude sa modli\u0165 spolo\u010dn\u00fa modlitbu, ale bude tam sedie\u0165 a po\u010d\u00fava\u0165. A zase op\u00e4\u0165 to nebolo o n\u00e1zore die\u0165a\u0165a, ale bolo to o tom, \u010di bol alebo nebol podp\u00edsan\u00fd s\u00fahlas. U t\u00fdch konkr\u00e9tnych det\u00ed, ktor\u00e9 viem, \u017ee sa rie\u0161ili cez toho detsk\u00e9ho ombudsmana, tak viem, \u017ee tam tie deti naozaj ako chceli, tak\u017ee tie sa z\u00fa\u010dast\u0148ovali napriek tomu, \u017ee rodi\u010dia nes\u00fahlasili, hej, \u010di\u017ee \u00e1no.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:28:54,514 &#8211;&gt; 00:28:55,704 [M\u00e1ria Hunkov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>R\u00f4zne situ\u00e1cie nast\u00e1vali.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:28:55,704 &#8211;&gt; 00:28:59,303 [Simona]<\/strong><\/p><p>Pr\u00fafnem si poveda\u0165 a\u017e, \u017ee ako sa n\u00e1m hodilo, tak tam, tak to tam bolo.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:28:59,303 &#8211;&gt; 00:29:11,924 [M\u00e1ria Hunkov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Riadite\u013eka, teda u\u017e b\u00fdval\u00e1 riadite\u013eka povedala, \u017ee zamestnanci d\u00e1vali pozit\u00edvne sp\u00e4tn\u00e9 v\u00e4zby na duchovn\u00fd program. My vieme, \u017ee viac ako dvadsa\u0165 zamestnancov dalo kv\u00f4li teda tak\u00fdmto praktik\u00e1m v centre v\u00fdpovede. Ako to teda bolo? Boli stimulovan\u00ed zamestnanci alebo neboli?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:29:11,924 &#8211;&gt; 00:30:54,623 [Simona]<\/strong><\/p><p>Ke\u010f e\u0161te nebol konkr\u00e9tny duchovn\u00fd program, ke\u010f bola len ten n\u00e1pad, \u017ee ideme deti vies\u0165 k viere, tak mnoh\u00ed sa aj te\u0161ili, preto\u017ee t\u00ed zamestnanci naozaj niektor\u00ed aj \u017eij\u00fa tou vierou a proste chceli tie deti vies\u0165 t\u00fdm pr\u00edkladom svoj\u00edm, chceli im odovzda\u0165 to, \u010do im t\u00e1 viera d\u00e1va. Ale akon\u00e1hle sa za\u010dalo vlastne to rie\u0161i\u0165 direkt\u00edvnym sp\u00f4sobom, povinne v\u0161etci, mo\u017eno\u017ee a\u017e hlava nehlava by som povedala, tak mnoh\u00ed t\u00ed \u013eudia zostali naozaj \u0161okovan\u00ed a v podstate s t\u00fdm nes\u00fahlasili, \u010do sa deje? A viem o tom aj, \u017ee mnoh\u00ed sa vyjadrili, \u017ee, \u017ee boli vlastne pani riadite\u013eke komunikovan\u00e9 tie ich n\u00e1zory. Viem konkr\u00e9tne o kolegovi, ktor\u00fd bol na stretnut\u00ed s pani riadite\u013ekou, rozpr\u00e1vali sa spolu o tom. Takisto hovoril, \u017ee v prvom momente si myslel, \u017ee pri\u0161lo k pochopeniu, \u017ee teda to stretnutie skon\u010dilo viac menej priate\u013esky alebo, alebo teda sa to tak zdalo, ale obratom bolo komunikovan\u00e9 s vychov\u00e1vate\u013emi na skupin\u00e1ch a vy\u0161etrovalo sa a\u017e doslova, \u017ee \u010di tento konkr\u00e9tny kolega n\u00e1hodou nechod\u00ed po skupin\u00e1ch a neovplyv\u0148uje deti proti duchovn\u00e9mu programu. \u010ci\u017ee aj t\u00ed \u013eudia, ktor\u00ed sa ozvali, tak sk\u00f4r to bolo mysl\u00edm si obr\u00e1ten\u00e9 proti nim, ako napr\u00edklad kolega, ktor\u00fd, vychov\u00e1vate\u013e, ktor\u00fd povedal, \u017ee m\u00e1 probl\u00e9m, lebo sa chodilo do kostola aj v stredy povinne, aj v nedele a kolega, ktor\u00fd teda povedal, \u017ee m\u00e1 s t\u00fdm probl\u00e9m, tak jednoducho nebol d\u00e1van\u00fd na slu\u017eby ani v nedele, v nedele, ani v stredy. \u010co m\u00f4\u017ee by\u0165 tro\u0161ku probl\u00e9m, lebo tam v r\u00e1mci t\u00fdch v\u00edkendov\u00fdch pr\u00edplatkov, ale aj t\u00fdm p\u00e1dom si nemohol akoby dva dni v t\u00fd\u017edni ur\u010di\u0165 hej, ako slu\u017ebu, hoci t\u00ed \u013eudia si be\u017ene zostavuj\u00fa tie slu\u017eby, nejak\u00fdm sp\u00f4sobom sa k tomu maj\u00fa mo\u017enos\u0165 vyjadri\u0165. Tak u\u017e boli dva dni, kedy on vlastne na slu\u017ebu pr\u00eds\u0165 nemohol.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:30:54,623 &#8211;&gt; 00:31:39,244 [M\u00e1ria Hunkov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Dopln\u00edm, \u017ee \u00farady samozrejme v\u017edy prim\u00e1rne na strane oznamovate\u013ea, ktor\u00fd n\u00e1m pod\u00e1 relevantn\u00e9 ozn\u00e1menie, ale teda nie sme nejak\u00fd arbitr, ktor\u00fd rozhoduje spor o podstate veci. V tomto kontexte treba ale poveda\u0165, \u017ee tu rozhodla Gener\u00e1lna prokurat\u00fara. Prokur\u00e1torka po osobnej n\u00e1v\u0161teve centra skon\u0161tatovala vo svojom pr\u00edkaze, \u017ee a teraz budem citova\u0165 \u201ePri v\u00fdkone previerky bolo z\u00e1rove\u0148 zisten\u00e9, \u017ee \u00fa\u010das\u0165 a plnenie povinnost\u00ed vypl\u00fdvaj\u00facich z duchovn\u00e9ho programu bolo deti vynucovan\u00e9 aj pod hrozbou trestov a bez oh\u013eadu na ich prejav v\u00f4le k \u00fa\u010dasti, napr\u00edklad na v\u00edkendov\u00fdch alebo ve\u010dern\u00fdch aktivit\u00e1ch s\u00favisiacich s praktizovan\u00edm viery. Z\u00e1rove\u0148 kon\u0161tatovala zasah do slobody n\u00e1bo\u017eensk\u00e9ho vyznania a viery, ktor\u00fa garantuje \u00dastava Slovenskej republiky.&#8220; \u010co robil n\u00e1\u0161 \u00farad vo va\u0161om pr\u00edpade? Ako sme postupovali a pre\u010do sme sa t\u00fdm v\u00f4bec zaoberali, vysvetlil riadite\u013eka pr\u00e1vneho odboru Nikola Jaborn\u00edkov\u00e1.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:31:39,244 &#8211;&gt; 00:33:00,270 [Speaker 3]<\/strong><\/p><p>V prvom rade bolo potrebn\u00e9 poskytn\u00fa\u0165 pr\u00e1vnu pomoc zamestnancom, ktor\u00ed sa rozhodli rie\u0161i\u0165 situ\u00e1ciu podan\u00edm hromadn\u00fdch v\u00fdpoved\u00ed. V tak\u00fdchto pr\u00edpadoch je zo strany \u00faradu oznamovate\u013eom pridelen\u00fd pr\u00e1vnik, ktor\u00fd im je neust\u00e1le pr\u00edstupn\u00fd na telefonickom kontakte. Jedn\u00e9ho oznamovate\u013ea sme navigovali aj pri podan\u00ed trestn\u00e9ho ozn\u00e1menia a poskytnut\u00ed ochrany. V s\u00fa\u010dasnosti tento oznamovate\u013e m\u00e1 status chr\u00e1nen\u00e9ho oznamovate\u013ea a je chr\u00e1nen\u00fd do bud\u00facnosti pred odvetami.Pr\u00edpad detsk\u00e9ho centra bol v\u0161ak d\u00f4le\u017eit\u00fd aj z h\u013eadiska verejn\u00e9ho z\u00e1ujmu, a to konkr\u00e9tne vo vz\u0165ahu k ochrane pr\u00e1v samotn\u00fdch det\u00ed, ktor\u00e9 boli priamo dotknut\u00e9 neprimeran\u00fdm duchovn\u00fdm programom. Z toho d\u00f4vodu sme oslovili ministerku pr\u00e1ce, soci\u00e1lnych vec\u00ed a rodiny, ktor\u00e1 m\u00e1 v kompetencii najvy\u0161\u0161ie kontroln\u00e9 mechanizmy vo vz\u0165ahu k detsk\u00fdm centr\u00e1m. Aj dnes vieme, \u017ee zo strany ministerstva naozaj prebehla in\u0161pekcia a sk\u00famala situ\u00e1ciu na mieste. Kombin\u00e1cia odvahy oznamovate\u013eov, akt\u00edvneho pr\u00edstupu n\u00e1\u0161ho \u00faradu, ako aj ostatn\u00fdch \u0161t\u00e1tnych in\u0161tit\u00facii, ktor\u00e9 rovnako promptne zareagovali a rovnako aj samotnej medializ\u00e1cie prispela k tomu, \u017ee duchovn\u00fd program bol zru\u0161en\u00fd. Neopomenute\u013en\u00fdm v\u00fdsledkom je aj stiahnutie v\u00fdpoved\u00ed samotn\u00fdch zamestnancov detsk\u00e9ho centra a upokojenie situ\u00e1cie, \u010do bolo na\u0161ou povinnos\u0165ou vo vz\u0165ahu k ochrane pr\u00e1v det\u00ed v tomto detskom centre.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:33:00,270 &#8211;&gt; 00:33:02,600 [M\u00e1ria Hunkov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Pre\u010do ste sa rozhodli obrati\u0165 na n\u00e1\u0161 \u00farad?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:33:02,600 &#8211;&gt; 00:33:30,180 [Jana]<\/strong><\/p><p>Ja som oslovovala, koho som vedela, u\u017e len kv\u00f4li tomu, \u017ee som videla t\u00fdch ne\u0161\u0165astn\u00fdch zamestnancov, ktor\u00ed vlastne neboli tak na tom jak ja, \u017ee si m\u00f4\u017eu dovoli\u0165 od\u00eds\u0165 len tak z pr\u00e1ce. A s\u00fa tam \u017eivitelia rodiny. S\u00fa tam fakt \u013eudia, ktor\u00ed t\u00fa pr\u00e1cu potrebuj\u00fa a ktor\u00ed tam chc\u00fa pre tie deti by\u0165. A teraz som videla, ako pri\u0161li \u013eudia z \u00fastredia a videla som to nepochopenie a doslova sa im a\u017e smiali do o\u010d\u00ed.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:33:30,180 &#8211;&gt; 00:33:32,410 [M\u00e1ria Hunkov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>\u010ci\u017ee v Domove bola kontrola z \u00fastredia pr\u00e1ce?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:33:32,410 &#8211;&gt; 00:35:02,960 [Jana]<\/strong><\/p><p>\u00c1no, tridsiateho, ke\u010f ja som kon\u010dila, pri\u0161la kontrola z \u00fastredia pr\u00e1ce. Pri\u0161li rie\u0161i\u0165 teda to, \u010do sa tam deje na ten m\u00f4j podnet a odi\u0161li s t\u00fdm, \u017ee vlastne ni\u010d tak\u00e9 sa nedeje. No tak preto som ja u\u017e potom h\u013eadala, \u017ee kadia\u013e. Vedela som, \u017ee tak\u00fdto \u00farad existuje. Preto som potom volala k v\u00e1m. No a na\u0161la som tam teda t\u00fa pomocn\u00fa ruku. [smiech] Tak som potom nasmerovala ostatn\u00fdch, \u017ee teda sk\u00fasme aj touto cestou \u00eds\u0165 a uvid\u00edme, kadia\u013e sa n\u00e1m podar\u00ed, tadia\u013e p\u00f4jdeme. Hej, lebo nevedeli sme, na koho sa v\u00f4bec m\u00f4\u017eeme obzda\u0165, kto n\u00e1m v\u00f4bec bude schopn\u00fd pom\u00f4c\u0165. Lebo t\u00fdm, \u017ee sme mali vedomosti, \u017ee predt\u00fdm u\u017e boli nejak\u00e9 pokusy, ale zlyhali, tak sme potrebovali fakt niekoho, kto sa, kto sa toho zhost\u00ed a bude sa s chladnou hlavou na to pozera\u0165, \u017ee re\u00e1lne sa nie\u010do tam deje, \u010do nie je v poriadku. Nielen, teda vypo\u010duje si aj ty, aj t\u00fdch zamestnancov. A ja by som e\u0161te hlavne, \u010do by som chcela teda doda\u0165. Ono sa to s\u00edce obr\u00e1tilo viac na to vierovyznanie, ale nebolo to len o tom vierovyznan\u00ed. Tam ten strach t\u00fdch zamestnancov bol, to sa \u0165a\u017eko aj pomenov\u00e1va hej, nehovoriac u\u017e o t\u00fdch de\u0165och. Tam, ke\u010f sa len pozriete na to, ako sa tam striedali zamestnanci, ako odch\u00e1dzali v sk\u00fa\u0161obnej dobe a nikto si to nev\u0161imol, v\u017edy sa to nejako ututlalo a my sme pri\u0161li na to, \u017ee vlastne aj deti, ke\u010f sa obr\u00e1tili na p\u00e1na ombudsmana. Prv\u00e9, \u010do p\u00e1n ombudsman spravil, povedal to pani riadite\u013eke. Deti mali z toho probl\u00e9m a deti nevedeli u\u017e, komu sa maj\u00fa zd\u00f4veri\u0165.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:35:02,960 &#8211;&gt; 00:36:26,800 [Simona]<\/strong><\/p><p>Ja len mo\u017eno k tomu, k tomu, \u017ee aby si \u013eudia vedeli predstavi\u0165, \u017ee ak\u00fdm sp\u00f4sobom to tam fungovalo v tej organiz\u00e1cii, preto\u017ee my sme naozaj niekedy dost\u00e1vali ot\u00e1zky, pre\u010do a\u017e teraz? Pre\u010do, pre\u010do, pre\u010do to tak dlho trvalo? Proste pre\u010do ste neza\u010dali sk\u00f4r s t\u00fdmto, a tak \u010falej? Jednoducho tam naozaj vl\u00e1dla ve\u013emi autokratick\u00e1 atmosf\u00e9ra. Tam naozaj sa \u013eudia b\u00e1li. M\u00e1m dokonca pocit, \u017ee pani riadite\u013eka si na tom aj to je m\u00f4j s\u00fakromn\u00fd n\u00e1zor, \u017ee ona si na tom aj zakladala, aby sa \u013eudia b\u00e1li, \u017ee tam jednoducho ona hovorila negat\u00edvne o jedn\u00fdch kolegoch pred in\u00fdmi kolegami, \u017ee cielene pod\u013ea m\u0148a rozb\u00edjala tro\u0161ku ten kolekt\u00edv, spochyb\u0148ovala n\u00e1zory odborn\u00edkov vlastn\u00e9ho t\u00edmu. V\u0161etko sa jej muselo hl\u00e1si\u0165, o v\u0161etkom rozhodovala ona. Na druhej strane ale potom, ke\u010f rozhodla, tak tie rozhodnutia museli interpretova\u0165 jej podriaden\u00ed t\u00fdm \u010fal\u0161\u00edm podriaden\u00fdm a nesmeli vlastne hovori\u0165, \u017ee to s\u00fa jej rozhodnutia. Hej, museli to zobra\u0165 na seba, hoci niekedy alebo teda \u010dastokr\u00e1t aj nes\u00fahlasili. \u010ci\u017ee tam naozaj \u013eudia, ktor\u00ed dlhodobo za tie roky dlhodobo \u013eudia, ktor\u00ed sa ozvali, tak museli od\u00eds\u0165, \u017ee jednoducho sa na\u0161iel d\u00f4vod, pre\u010do museli od\u00eds\u0165. Tak\u017ee tam naozaj t\u00ed \u013eudia sa b\u00e1li o t\u00fa pr\u00e1cu. Naozaj trvalo dlho, k\u00fdm sme si boli ist\u00ed, \u017ee m\u00e1me d\u00f4kazy na to, \u010do hovor\u00edme a \u017ee naozaj sme si museli by\u0165 ist\u00ed, \u017ee m\u00e1me v\u0161etko podlo\u017een\u00e9 papiermi, to, \u010do hovor\u00edme, preto\u017ee tie sk\u00fasenosti predt\u00fdm boli tak\u00e9, \u017ee ona naozaj ust\u00e1la v\u0161etko.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:36:26,819 &#8211;&gt; 00:36:28,920 [M\u00e1ria Hunkov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>A \u010do pod\u013ea v\u00e1s vo va\u0161om pr\u00edpade najviac pomohlo?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:36:28,920 &#8211;&gt; 00:37:03,880 [Simona]<\/strong><\/p><p>Ja to nerada hovor\u00edm, ale, ale naozaj to asi bola t\u00e1 medializ\u00e1cia, preto\u017ee \u010do je pre m\u0148a stra\u0161n\u00e9 osobne, preto\u017ee naozaj nikto z n\u00e1s nechcel \u00eds\u0165 do m\u00e9di\u00ed. V\u0161etci sme d\u00fafali, \u017ee nebudeme musie\u0165. Dvakr\u00e1t sme na to upozor\u0148ovali \u00fastredie, \u017ee bohu\u017eia\u013e, ke\u010f to nebud\u00fa rie\u0161i\u0165, ke\u010f to nebud\u00fa rie\u0161i\u0165 r\u00fdchlo, preto\u017ee tam naozaj za\u010dala pani riadite\u013eka prep\u00fa\u0161\u0165a\u0165 \u013eud\u00ed. Hej, \u010di\u017ee my sme nemali \u010das na to, aby ako to oni chceli nastavi\u0165, \u017ee bud\u00fa dvakr\u00e1t mesa\u010dne chodi\u0165 k n\u00e1m na stretnutia nastavova\u0165 syst\u00e9my. Sme na toto \u010das nemali, preto\u017ee re\u00e1lne tam existovali zoznamy, ktor\u00e9 volali, \u017ee kto mus\u00ed od\u00eds\u0165 a tak \u010falej. \u010ci\u017ee my sme potrebovali rie\u0161i\u0165 situ\u00e1ciu r\u00fdchlo.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:37:03,880 &#8211;&gt; 00:37:17,120 [M\u00e1ria Hunkov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>\u010co sa zmenilo v centre po v\u00fdmene vedenia? Lebo vieme, \u017ee teda po medializ\u00e1cii sa pani riadite\u013eka dohodla s \u00fastred\u00edm, \u017ee teda kon\u010d\u00ed na \u010dele vedenia. Teraz je tam poveren\u00fd in\u00fd riadite\u013e. A ako to teraz vyzer\u00e1? Ako vyzer\u00e1 \u017eivot v centre?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:37:17,120 &#8211;&gt; 00:38:01,540 [Simona]<\/strong><\/p><p>\u010co sa zmenilo, s\u00fa v podstate tri tak\u00e9 veci z\u00e1sadn\u00e9. Zmenila sa neskuto\u010dn\u00fdm sp\u00f4sobom komunik\u00e1cia, \u017ee jednoducho m\u00e1m pocit, \u017ee u\u017e nie je len jednostrann\u00e1 komunik\u00e1cia od vedenia k zamestnancom, ale \u017ee naozaj t\u00e1 komunik\u00e1cia je obojstrann\u00e1, \u017ee ten p\u00e1n riadite\u013e po\u010d\u00fava t\u00fdch zamestnancov. Nehovor\u00edm, \u017ee so v\u0161etk\u00fdm s\u00fahlas\u00ed, ale po\u010d\u00fava, vypo\u010duje si, povie n\u00e1zor, odargumentujeme si. Proste t\u00e1 komunik\u00e1cia je na \u00faplne inom leveli. To je jedna vec. Atmosf\u00e9ra. Neskuto\u010dn\u00fdm sp\u00f4sobom sa zmenila atmosf\u00e9ra zo stresu, tlaku je zrazu pohoda, hej, \u017ee v\u0161etci si robia svoju pr\u00e1cu. Tam s\u00fa naozaj \u013eudia, ktor\u00ed vedia, \u010do maj\u00fa robi\u0165 a, a robia si t\u00fa svoju pr\u00e1cu bez toho, aby im niekto st\u00e1le<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:38:01,540 &#8211;&gt; 00:38:39,256 [Simona]<\/strong><\/p><p>hovoril, \u017ee ju nerobia dostato\u010dne alebo \u017ee nerobia dos\u0165. \u010co je, \u010do je \u00fa\u017easn\u00e9.Mm, a \u010do je pre m\u0148a osobne ve\u013ek\u00e9 tak\u00e9 ulah\u010denie, je tak\u00e9to vyjasnenie si kompetenci\u00ed, \u017ee, \u017ee ten p\u00e1n riadite\u013e naozaj tie kompetencie, ktor\u00e9 s\u00fa jeho, tak ich zast\u00e1va a ne\u017eiada od nikoho in\u00e9ho, aby robil za\u0148ho veci. A z\u00e1rove\u0148 proste na m\u0148a ur\u010duje \u00falohy, ktor\u00e9 s\u00fa mimo na\u0161ich kompetenci\u00ed, \u017ee proste naozaj n\u00e1s nech\u00e1va robi\u0165 si svoju pr\u00e1cu a, a t\u00fdm p\u00e1dom aj ten, ten time management je zrazu \u00faplne o nie\u010dom inom, hej? \u010ci\u017ee pre m\u0148a&#8230; Ale t\u00e1 atmosf\u00e9ra rob\u00ed stra\u0161ne ve\u013ea, t\u00e1 komunik\u00e1cia a to je neporovnate\u013en\u00e9.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:38:39,256 &#8211;&gt; 00:38:50,455 [M\u00e1ria Hunkov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>No je evidentn\u00e9, \u017ee ste mali teda perne tie posledn\u00e9 mesiace a najm\u00e4 teda posledn\u00e9 mesiace. Preto mi napad\u00e1 u\u017e posledn\u00e1 ot\u00e1zka z mojej strany na v\u00e1s obe. \u010ci by ste bojovali znova rovnako, keby ste vedeli, \u010do v\u00e1s \u010dak\u00e1?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:38:50,455 &#8211;&gt; 00:39:14,216 [Jana]<\/strong><\/p><p>Ur\u010dite \u00e1no, aj ke\u010f boli s t\u00fdm ve\u013ek\u00e9 probl\u00e9my [smiech], ale v\u00fdsledok je mysl\u00edm si, \u017ee za dozu\u010dinenie. Ja som sa nasp\u00e4\u0165 zamestnala v tomto istom CDR a die\u0165a sa vr\u00e1tilo nasp\u00e4\u0165 k n\u00e1m. Die\u0165a je moment\u00e1lne ve\u013emi \u0161\u0165astn\u00e9. Ver\u00edm, \u017ee n\u00e1m to teda vydr\u017e\u00ed e\u0161te dlho a \u017ee budeme m\u00f4c\u0165 takto pokra\u010dova\u0165 \u010falej.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:39:14,216 &#8211;&gt; 00:39:56,216 [Simona]<\/strong><\/p><p>Mysl\u00edm si, \u017ee \u00e1no. Jednoducho, aj ke\u010f nad t\u00fdm rozm\u00fd\u0161\u013eam, aj sp\u00e4tne, u\u017e aj bez em\u00f3ci\u00ed, u\u017e aj, u\u017e aj po tom, \u010do to v\u0161etko odoznelo, mus\u00edm poveda\u0165, \u017ee to bolo neskuto\u010dne n\u00e1ro\u010dn\u00e9, \u017ee naozaj sme dali do, do st\u00e1vky svoje zamestnania a ja e\u0161te nie mo\u017eno a\u017e tak, ako t\u00ed \u013eudia, ktor\u00ed s\u00fa tam naozaj samo\u017eivite\u013eia alebo \u017eivite\u013eia rod\u00edn, ktor\u00ed t\u00fa pr\u00e1cu potrebuj\u00fa a napriek tomu boli tak z\u00fafal\u00ed, \u017ee t\u00fa pr\u00e1cu proste pon\u00fakli. T\u00fa v\u00fdpove\u010f dali len, aby sa veci zmenili. To naozaj, naozaj n\u00e1ro\u010dn\u00e9, najm\u00e4 aj preto, \u017ee teda to \u00fastredie rovnako n\u00e1m rozpr\u00e1valo, \u017ee teda ve\u010f n\u00e1s nahradia, nen\u00ed probl\u00e9m, ale mysl\u00edm si, \u017ee to bolo treba urobi\u0165, \u017ee, \u017ee tam by sa veci nepohli a, a \u017ee tie deti by tam doteraz proste trpeli.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:39:56,216 &#8211;&gt; 00:40:12,116 [Simona]<\/strong><\/p><p>A ur\u010dite si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee vzh\u013eadom na to, \u017ee pracujeme ako pom\u00e1haj\u00faci pracovn\u00edci, \u017ee toto je vlastne to, k \u010domu sme sa zaviazali na t\u00fdch \u0161kol\u00e1ch, hej, \u017ee toto je vlastne to na\u0161e svedomie, t\u00fdm de\u0165om pom\u00e1ha\u0165 a ich chr\u00e1ni\u0165 nejak\u00fdm sp\u00f4sobom, tak to inak ne\u0161lo. Tak\u017ee ur\u010dite \u00e1no.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:40:12,116 &#8211;&gt; 00:40:18,515 [M\u00e1ria Hunkov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Tak \u010fakujeme, \u017ee pom\u00e1hate de\u0165om, aj \u017ee ste dnes pri\u0161li do n\u00e1\u0161ho \u0161t\u00fadia.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:40:18,515 &#8211;&gt; 00:40:18,555 [ ]<\/strong><\/p><p>[hudba]<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:40:18,555 &#8211;&gt; 00:40:59,616 [M\u00e1ria Hunkov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Po\u010d\u00favali ste podcast Neuml\u010dan\u00ed, ktor\u00fd pre v\u00e1s vytv\u00e1ra \u00darad na ochranu oznamovate\u013eov. Ak n\u00e1m chcete ozn\u00e1mi\u0165 korupciu alebo in\u00e9 poru\u0161ovanie z\u00e1konov, o ktorom ste sa dozvedeli v pr\u00e1ci a ktor\u00e9 maj\u00fa dopad na verejn\u00fd z\u00e1ujem, nap\u00ed\u0161te n\u00e1m na neumlcani@oznamovatelia.sk. Lebo neml\u010da\u0165 je zlato.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>V\u00a0\u0161t\u00e1tnom Centre pre deti a\u00a0rodiny v\u00a0Trnave bol tlak na to, aby zamestnanci a\u00a0profesion\u00e1lni n\u00e1hradn\u00ed rodi\u010dia vychov\u00e1vali zveren\u00e9 deti v pr\u00edsnej kres\u0165anskej viere. Vychov\u00e1vatelia bez oh\u013eadu na svoje presved\u010denie museli d\u00e1va\u0165 de\u0165om na \u010delo kr\u00ed\u017eiky, nieko\u013ekokr\u00e1t denne sa s\u00a0nimi modli\u0165, deti museli p\u00edsa\u0165 listy v\u00e4z\u0148om a n\u00e1bo\u017eensk\u00e9 stretnutia mali neraz prednos\u0165 pred ich vzdel\u00e1van\u00edm. Ke\u010f sa [&hellip;]<\/p>","protected":false},"author":5,"featured_media":3024,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[33],"tags":[31],"class_list":["post-4442","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-podcast","tag-podcast"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v26.5 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Museli sme sa ozva\u0165, tie deti by doteraz trpeli, hovor\u00ed pracovn\u00ed\u010dka centra pre deti<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"http:\/\/10.0.3.7\/en\/museli-sme-sa-ozvat-tie-deti-by-doteraz-trpeli-hovori-pracovnicka-centra-pre-deti\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Museli sme sa ozva\u0165, tie deti by doteraz trpeli, hovor\u00ed pracovn\u00ed\u010dka centra pre deti\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"V\u00a0\u0161t\u00e1tnom Centre pre deti a\u00a0rodiny v\u00a0Trnave bol tlak na to, aby zamestnanci a\u00a0profesion\u00e1lni n\u00e1hradn\u00ed rodi\u010dia vychov\u00e1vali zveren\u00e9 deti v pr\u00edsnej kres\u0165anskej viere. 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