{"id":4448,"date":"2023-12-07T14:29:00","date_gmt":"2023-12-07T13:29:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/10.0.3.10\/?p=4448"},"modified":"2025-08-07T11:39:28","modified_gmt":"2025-08-07T09:39:28","slug":"pravnicka-ktora-zastupuje-biele-vrany-whistleblowerov-nevyhnutne-potrebujeme","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/10.0.3.7\/en\/pravnicka-ktora-zastupuje-biele-vrany-whistleblowerov-nevyhnutne-potrebujeme\/","title":{"rendered":"Pr\u00e1vni\u010dka, ktor\u00e1 zastupuje Biele vrany: Whistleblowerov nevyhnutne potrebujeme"},"content":{"rendered":"<div data-elementor-type=\"wp-post\" data-elementor-id=\"4448\" class=\"elementor elementor-4448\" data-elementor-post-type=\"post\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-9f04996 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"9f04996\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-80c442a\" data-id=\"80c442a\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-feaedfc elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"feaedfc\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tOznamovate\u013eov, tzv. whistleblowerov, nevyhnutne potrebujeme. Napriek vlastn\u00e9mu nepohodliu n\u00e1m ukazuj\u00fa, \u017ee veci sa daj\u00fa meni\u0165 a\u00a0\u017ee je potrebn\u00e9 sa vzoprie\u0165, ak nie\u010do nefunguje ako m\u00e1, hovor\u00ed v\u00a0najnov\u0161ej epiz\u00f3de podcastu Neuml\u010dan\u00ed pr\u00e1vna expertka Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1.\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-768327a elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"768327a\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tCel\u00fa svoju kari\u00e9ru zasv\u00e4tila pr\u00e1vu vo verejnom z\u00e1ujme. Zastupovala viacer\u00e9 osobnosti, ktor\u00e9 z\u00edskali ocenenie Biela vrana za odv\u00e1\u017eny ob\u010diansky \u010din. Tie\u017e sudcov, ktor\u00ed \u010delili disciplin\u00e1rnym st\u00edhaniam, ktor\u00e9 pripom\u00ednali sk\u00f4r pomstu.\u00a0\u00a0\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-060cd52 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"060cd52\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tV\u00a0podcaste rozpr\u00e1va o\u00a0osudoch jej klientov, ktor\u00e9 ju najviac zasiahli. Porovn\u00e1va dobu me\u010diarizmu so s\u00fa\u010dasnou a\u00a0d\u00e1va rady, ako vedia oznamovatelia ust\u00e1\u0165 n\u00e1ro\u010dn\u00e9 situ\u00e1cie, ktor\u00e9 m\u00f4\u017eu nasta\u0165, ke\u010f sa rozhodn\u00fa neml\u010da\u0165. Rovnako tak hovor\u00ed o\u00a0tom, pre\u010do je pod\u013ea nej d\u00f4le\u017eit\u00e9 zauj\u00edma\u0165 sa o\u00a0veci verejn\u00e9.\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-4d4eb95 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"4d4eb95\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\u201eSme tu na to, aby sme vn\u00edmali nielen svoje potreby, ale aby sme vn\u00edmali aj \u0161ir\u0161ie okolie a\u00a0sna\u017eili sa prinies\u0165 nejak\u00e9 dobro do spolo\u010dnosti. Ak je lep\u0161ie \u013eu\u010fom okolo n\u00e1s, je lep\u0161ie aj n\u00e1m sam\u00fdm. Preto si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee je celkom dobr\u00e9, ke\u010f si \u013eudia v\u0161\u00edmaj\u00fa okolie a\u00a0sna\u017eia sa ho zlep\u0161i\u0165.\u201c\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-87b708e elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"87b708e\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>Vypo\u010dujte si v\u00a0porad\u00ed desiatu epiz\u00f3du podcastu Neuml\u010dan\u00ed, ktor\u00fd vytv\u00e1ra \u00darad na ochranu oznamovate\u013eov v\u00a0produkcii denn\u00edka SME. \u00a0<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-dc3943e elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"dc3943e\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<iframe style=\"border-radius:12px\" src=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/embed\/episode\/4kfha4nGuX4wiGhy4iBwJC?utm_source=generator\" width=\"100%\" height=\"152\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"\" allow=\"autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; fullscreen; picture-in-picture\" loading=\"lazy\"><\/iframe>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-faabf84 elementor-widget elementor-widget-toggle\" data-id=\"faabf84\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"toggle.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-toggle\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-toggle-item\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div id=\"elementor-tab-title-2621\" class=\"elementor-tab-title\" data-tab=\"1\" role=\"button\" aria-controls=\"elementor-tab-content-2621\" aria-expanded=\"false\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"elementor-toggle-icon elementor-toggle-icon-left\" aria-hidden=\"true\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"elementor-toggle-icon-closed\"><i class=\"fas fa-caret-right\"><\/i><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"elementor-toggle-icon-opened\"><i class=\"elementor-toggle-icon-opened fas fa-caret-up\"><\/i><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a class=\"elementor-toggle-title\" tabindex=\"0\">Textov\u00fd prepis podcastu<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t<div id=\"elementor-tab-content-2621\" class=\"elementor-tab-content elementor-clearfix\" data-tab=\"1\" role=\"region\" aria-labelledby=\"elementor-tab-title-2621\"><p><strong>00:00:10,840 &#8211;&gt; 00:00:45,139 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Vy\u0161tudovala dve vysok\u00e9 \u0161koly, etnol\u00f3giu, hist\u00f3riu a pr\u00e1vo. Svoju kari\u00e9ru v\u0161ak zasv\u00e4tila v\u00fdhradne pr\u00e1vu vo verejnom z\u00e1ujme. Zastupovala viacer\u00e9 osobnosti, ktor\u00e9 z\u00edskali ocenenie Biela vrana za odv\u00e1\u017eny ob\u010diansky \u010din, tie\u017e sudcov, ktor\u00ed \u010delili disciplin\u00e1rnym konaniam, ktor\u00e9 sk\u00f4r ale pripom\u00ednali pomstu. Bola riadite\u013ekou Centra pr\u00e1vnej pomoci a dlh\u00e9 roky p\u00f4sob\u00ed ako pr\u00e1vna expertka pre ob\u010dianske zdru\u017eenie Via Iuris. A teraz je u\u017e jasn\u00e9, \u017ee v Shtoodiu dnes m\u00e1me Evu Kova\u010dechov\u00fa. Moje meno je Natalia Pindrochov\u00e1 a po\u010d\u00favate podcast Neuml\u010dan\u00ed, ktor\u00fd pre v\u00e1s vytv\u00e1ra \u00darad na ochranu oznamovate\u013eov v produkcii denn\u00edka Sme. Vitajte, pani Kova\u010dechov\u00e1.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:00:45,139 &#8211;&gt; 00:00:52,059 [Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>\u010eakujem, dobr\u00fd de\u0148 prajem.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:00:52,059 &#8211;&gt; 00:01:03,259 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Ako som hovorila v \u00favode, vy\u0161tudovali ste dve vysok\u00e9 \u0161koly, no cel\u00fd svoj profesion\u00e1lny \u017eivot sa zaober\u00e1te prim\u00e1rne pr\u00e1vom vo verejnom z\u00e1ujme. Pre\u010do ste si nakoniec vybrali pr\u00e1ve t\u00fato profesion\u00e1lnu dr\u00e1hu?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:01:03,259 &#8211;&gt; 00:01:24,139 [Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>No, \u0161tudovala som v dev\u00e4\u0165desiatych rokoch. Bolo to obdobie jednak teda rozpadu \u010ceskoslovenska a vzniku samostatnej Slovenskej republiky, ale tie\u017e n\u00e1sledne obdobie Me\u010diarizmu. A dnes mi to znie tro\u0161ku tak naivne, ale ja, ke\u010f som \u0161tudovala etnol\u00f3giu a hist\u00f3riu, tak<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:01:24,139 &#8211;&gt; 00:01:45,619 [Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>jooo vo vz\u0165ahu asi k t\u00fdm spolo\u010densk\u00fdm zmen\u00e1m a v\u00f4bec celkov\u00fdm zmen\u00e1m, ktor\u00e9 sa diali, tak zdalo sa mi, \u017ee to nie je dostato\u010dne spolo\u010densky prospe\u0161n\u00e1 profesia, \u017ee, \u017ee by som mala da\u0165 spolo\u010dnosti nie\u010do viacej. A preto som sa potom rozhodla, \u017ee vy\u0161tudujem aj pr\u00e1vo. Aa chcela som sa venova\u0165 ochrane \u013eudsk\u00fdch pr\u00e1v.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:01:45,619 &#8211;&gt; 00:01:50,180 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Vy ste tak prirodzene pre\u0161li na to pr\u00e1vo, alebo ste aj chv\u00ed\u013eu po etnol\u00f3gii niekde pracovali?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:01:50,180 &#8211;&gt; 00:02:03,139 [Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>\u0160tudovala som chv\u00ed\u013eu paralelne, ale v podstate to bol u\u017e posledn\u00fd ro\u010dn\u00edk etnol\u00f3gie, ak sa nem\u00fdlim, a prv\u00fd ro\u010dn\u00edk pr\u00e1va a etnol\u00f3giu som vlastne pracovne nikdy nevyu\u017eila tak, \u017ee by som bola zamestnan\u00e1 ako etnologi\u010dka alebo histori\u010dka.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:02:03,139 &#8211;&gt; 00:02:04,399 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>A dneska sp\u00e4tne ne\u013eutujete?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:02:04,399 &#8211;&gt; 00:02:35,119 [Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Ne\u013eutujem, hoci dnes si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee hlavne ke\u010f vid\u00edm, \u010do sa deje v spolo\u010dnosti, ako \u013eudia v\u00f4bec netu\u0161ia, o \u010dom je hist\u00f3ria Slovenska alebo hist\u00f3ria na \u00fazem\u00ed Slovenskej republiky, v\u00f4bec netu\u0161ia o tom, ak\u00fdm sp\u00f4sobom sa tu vyv\u00edjali r\u00f4zne spolo\u010denstv\u00e1, r\u00f4zne kult\u00fary. Tak dnes vid\u00edm, \u017ee to je mimoriadne prospe\u0161n\u00e1 \u010dinnos\u0165 jednak historikov, jednak etnol\u00f3gov, ale z\u00e1rove\u0148 m\u0148a moje povolanie, pr\u00e1vo ma ve\u013emi nap\u013a\u0148a, tak\u017ee ne\u013eutujem to.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:02:35,119 &#8211;&gt; 00:02:38,779 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Vie sa pod\u013ea v\u00e1s ka\u017ed\u00fd z n\u00e1s zasadi\u0165 za ochranu verejn\u00e9ho z\u00e1ujmu?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:02:38,779 &#8211;&gt; 00:03:16,939 [Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Odpove\u010f na prv\u00fa je, \u017ee samozrejme, \u017ee \u00e1no. Zasadi\u0165 sa za ochranu verejn\u00e9ho z\u00e1ujmu neznamen\u00e1, \u017ee \u010dlovek mus\u00ed zorganizova\u0165 obrovsk\u00fa demon\u0161tr\u00e1ciu na najv\u00e4\u010d\u0161om n\u00e1mest\u00ed v Bratislave. Ale znamen\u00e1 to, \u017ee rob\u00ed nie\u010do prospe\u0161n\u00e9 verejnosti, prospe\u0161n\u00e9 svojej komunite, kdeko\u013evek \u017eije. \u010ci\u017ee v z\u00e1sade ja si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee to nie je a\u017e tak\u00e9 zlo\u017eit\u00e9, aby ka\u017ed\u00fd, \u010do i len tro\u0161ku chcel, sa zasadil za ochranu verejn\u00e9ho z\u00e1ujmu. A naozaj to m\u00f4\u017ee by\u0165 od drobn\u00fdch vec\u00ed, ktor\u00e9 rob\u00ed niekde na s\u00eddlisku alebo v nejakej komunite alebo v obci, kde \u017eije, a\u017e po veci, ktor\u00e9 maj\u00fa treb\u00e1rs celospolo\u010densky v\u00fdznam.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:03:16,939 &#8211;&gt; 00:03:22,019 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>A napadaj\u00fa v\u00e1s presne tak\u00e9 drobnosti, ktor\u00e9 by sme mo\u017eno posluch\u00e1\u010dom vedeli poradi\u0165, \u017ee \u010do by mohli robi\u0165?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:03:22,019 &#8211;&gt; 00:03:31,379 [Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Asi je t\u00fdch vec\u00ed ve\u013ea, ale minim\u00e1lne si v\u0161\u00edma\u0165 svoje okolie. Tam treba za\u010da\u0165 a z toho potom je jasn\u00e9, \u017ee \u010do je potrebn\u00e9, \u010do je, je potrebn\u00e9<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:03:31,379 &#8211;&gt; 00:03:52,199 [Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>pom\u00f4c\u0165 niekomu, vybavi\u0165, ja neviem, tak\u00e9 papiere. Sused, susedka, ktor\u00ed absol\u00fatne netu\u0161\u00ed, ako komunikova\u0165 s \u00faradmi. U\u017e, u\u017e toto je za\u010diatok toho, ako \u010dlovek vlastne vykon\u00e1va nie\u010do verejnoprospe\u0161n\u00e9. \u010ci\u017ee v podstate to znamen\u00e1 presta\u0165 sa pozera\u0165 len na seba a na svoje vlastn\u00e9 potreby a za\u010da\u0165 vn\u00edma\u0165 potreby \u013eud\u00ed okolo seba.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:03:52,199 &#8211;&gt; 00:04:10,119 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Vy ste v roku 2018 vyst\u00fapili na zhroma\u017eden\u00ed Za slu\u0161n\u00e9 Slovensko v Banskej Bystrici, kde ste povedali, \u017ee korupcia a mafi\u00e1nske praktiky s\u00fa dnes tak\u00fdm be\u017en\u00fdm pracovn\u00fdm n\u00e1strojom, \u017ee verejnos\u0165 si ani len nevie predstavi\u0165, \u017ee by \u0161t\u00e1tne in\u0161tit\u00facie mohli by\u0165 neskorumpovan\u00e9, \u010destn\u00e9 a rovn\u00e9. Vy si to viete predstavi\u0165?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:04:10,119 &#8211;&gt; 00:04:45,519 [Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>No predstavi\u0165 si to viem, preto rob\u00edm, \u010do rob\u00edm a iba teda to ide z\u00fafalo pomaly, m\u00e1m pocit. Ale predstavi\u0165 si to samozrejme viem. Ur\u010dite \u00e1no. Probl\u00e9m je, \u017ee ob\u00e1vam sa, \u017ee politick\u00e9 elity, ktor\u00e9 ved\u00fa Slovensko, neved\u00fa \u013eud\u00ed dostato\u010dne k tomu, aby si to vedeli predstavi\u0165, preto\u017ee politick\u00e9 elity \u010dasto nejd\u00fa vzorom a nekorup\u010dn\u00e9 spr\u00e1vanie nie je \u010d\u00edslom jedna v tom, ak\u00fdm sp\u00f4sobom komunikuj\u00fa o tom, \u010do m\u00e1me robi\u0165, ako sa m\u00e1me spr\u00e1va\u0165 my a ako sa maj\u00fa spr\u00e1va\u0165 samozrejme aj \u013eudia v vysok\u00fdch alebo ni\u017e\u0161\u00edch verejn\u00fdch funkci\u00e1ch.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:04:45,519 &#8211;&gt; 00:04:54,959 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>A vy ste spom\u00ednali, teda \u017ee ste sa rozhodli sta\u0165 pr\u00e1vni\u010dku pr\u00e1ve v tom Me\u010diarovom obdob\u00ed. A ke\u010f dneska porovn\u00e1te to obdobie Me\u010diara a tom, \u010do m\u00e1me dnes, ako by ste to zhodnotili?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:04:54,959 &#8211;&gt; 00:05:03,199 [Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Odpoviem asi diplomaticky. Uhm, sme na za\u010diatku nov\u00e9ho volebn\u00e9ho obdobia, \u010di\u017ee ho nechcem hodnoti\u0165 napriek tomu, \u017ee<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:05:03,199 &#8211;&gt; 00:05:55,599 [Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>vlastne od prv\u00e9ho d\u0148a vid\u00edme, \u017ee mnoh\u00e9 z vyjadren\u00ed, ktor\u00e9 po\u010d\u00favame z najvy\u0161\u0161\u00edch miest politick\u00fdch, s\u00fa, ak nie v\u00fdstra\u017en\u00e9, tak minim\u00e1lne tak\u00e9, ktor\u00e9 vyvol\u00e1vaj\u00fa obavu. Ur\u010dite nastal posun. Ur\u010dite nastal posun od dev\u00e4\u0165desiatych rokov u\u017e len v tom, \u017ee ove\u013ea viacej \u013eud\u00ed je akt\u00edvnych treb\u00e1rs v neziskovom sektore, aj \u010di u\u017e priamo v nejak\u00fdch ob\u010dianskych zdru\u017eeniach alebo aj v neform\u00e1lnych iniciat\u00edvach, \u017ee ove\u013ea viacej \u013eud\u00ed si v\u0161\u00edma to, \u010do sa deje okolo nich. Zap\u00e1ja sa do r\u00f4znych peti\u010dn\u00fdch podpisov\u00fdch akci\u00ed. \u013dudia nie s\u00fa apatick\u00ed, \u013eudia uverili tomu, \u017ee m\u00f4\u017eu veci meni\u0165 bez toho, aby mali vysok\u00fa funkciu alebo bez toho, aby boli v nejakej riadiacej poz\u00edcii. \u017de sami \u013eudia m\u00f4\u017eu veci meni\u0165. Uhm, \u010di to je kritick\u00e9 mno\u017estvo, neviem, ale mysl\u00edm si, \u017ee oproti dev\u00e4\u0165desiatym rokom sa minim\u00e1lne toto zmenilo.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:05:55,599 &#8211;&gt; 00:06:00,179 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>A potrebujeme k naplneniu tej ochrany verejn\u00e9ho z\u00e1ujmu aj vyslovovalov, pod\u013ea v\u00e1s?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:06:00,179 &#8211;&gt; 00:06:31,127 [Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Zatia\u013e si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee&#8230;\u017de ich nevyhnutne potrebujeme. \u017de musia to by\u0165 presne \u013eudia, ktor\u00ed napriek vlastn\u00e9mu nepohodliu, dokonca mo\u017eno\u017ee a\u017e napriek tomu, \u017ee sami bud\u00fa vystavovan\u00ed ve\u013emi nepr\u00edjemnej situ\u00e1cii, ktor\u00e1 m\u00f4\u017ee trva\u0165 ve\u013emi dlho, m\u00e1me sk\u00fasenosti, \u017ee trv\u00e1 roky. Tak presne toto s\u00fa \u013eudia, ktor\u00ed s\u00fa vzormi a ktor\u00ed ukazuj\u00fa \u010fal\u0161\u00edm a \u010fal\u0161\u00edm \u013eu\u010fom, \u017ee, \u017ee veci mo\u017eno\u017ee sa daj\u00fa meni\u0165 aj tak\u00fdmto sp\u00f4sobom a \u017ee treba sa vzoprie\u0165, ak nie\u010do nefunguje tak, ako m\u00e1 fungova\u0165.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:06:31,127 &#8211;&gt; 00:06:39,987 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>To ste mi hne\u010f odpovedali na t\u00fa \u010fal\u0161iu ot\u00e1zku, \u017ee pre\u010do by sa mali \u013eudia oz\u00fdva\u0165. Napad\u00e1 v\u00e1s e\u0161te nejak\u00e9 in\u00e9 doplnenie, ako okrem toho, \u017ee \u00eds\u0165 vzorom a pr\u00edkladom pre in\u00fdch?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:06:39,987 &#8211;&gt; 00:07:37,527 [Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Ja by som to mo\u017eno doplnila len priamo m\u00e1m teraz tak\u00fa bezprostredn\u00fa sk\u00fasenos\u0165. Zastupujem jednu pani, s ktorou bol skon\u010den\u00fd pracovn\u00fd pomer, dokonca dvakr\u00e1t. Nep\u00f4jdem do detailov, ale v z\u00e1sade s\u00fady u\u017e rozhodli, \u017ee to bolo neopr\u00e1vnen\u00e9 skon\u010denie pracovn\u00e9ho pomeru. A teraz e\u0161te st\u00e1le sa ale s\u00fadi o to, aby dostala nazad prostriedky, ktor\u00e9 vlastne jej neboli vyplaten\u00e9. Spor trv\u00e1 nekone\u010dne dlho, u\u017e viac ako desa\u0165 rokov a chod\u00ed s \u0148ou na s\u00fad aj jej rodina. A teraz naposledy jej syn povedal a bolo to mimoriadne dojemn\u00e9, \u017ee &#8222;Vie\u0161, mama, \u017ee ty si pre m\u0148a ve\u013ek\u00fdm vzorom v tom, ako to rob\u00ed\u0161 a \u017ee, \u017ee ja si \u0165a za to ve\u013emi v\u00e1\u017eim a ukazuje\u0161 n\u00e1m, ako to m\u00f4\u017eeme robi\u0165 aj my.&#8220; A presne to si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee ukazuj\u00fa \u013eudia, ktor\u00ed tak\u00fdmto sp\u00f4sobom vlastne id\u00fa proti nejakej nepr\u00e1vosti. Ukazuj\u00fa nielen svojim bl\u00edzkym a pr\u00edbuzn\u00fdm, ale aj \u013eu\u010fom zo \u0161ir\u0161ieho okolia.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:07:37,527 &#8211;&gt; 00:07:48,327 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>A ke\u010f sa v\u00e1s p\u00fdtam ako vy\u0161tudovanej etnologi\u010dky, \u017ee ako sa pod\u013ea v\u00e1s za posledn\u00e9 roky vyvinula kult\u00fara, ktor\u00fa my ozna\u010dujeme ako kult\u00fara neml\u010dania? \u010ci sa to, \u010di sa to nejako posunulo a zmenilo?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:07:48,327 &#8211;&gt; 00:08:12,087 [Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Tak ako som povedala, v pr\u00edpade toho, \u017ee \u010di sa posunula spolo\u010dnos\u0165 od dev\u00e4\u0165desiatych rokov od me\u010diarizmu, tak si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee aj v tomto, \u017ee \u013eudia nabrali nejak\u00e9 sebavedomie a uvedomili si, \u017ee vlastne m\u00f4\u017eu meni\u0165 veci, ale je d\u00f4le\u017eit\u00e9 o nich hovori\u0165. Tak\u017ee mysl\u00edm si, \u017ee aj v tom sme sa posunuli napriek tomu, \u017ee sa m\u00f4\u017ee zda\u0165 mnoh\u00fdm, \u017ee ten posun nie je dostato\u010dne ve\u013ek\u00fd, tak ja by som povedala, \u017ee ka\u017ed\u00fd krok sa po\u010d\u00edta.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:08:12,087 &#8211;&gt; 00:08:28,727 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Vy ste zastupovali mnoh\u00e9 osobnosti, ktor\u00e9 z\u00edskali v minulosti aj ocenenie Biela vrana a ktor\u00fdch by sme v niektor\u00fdch pr\u00edpadoch mohli aj nazva\u0165 vysbl\u00favermi. Je nie\u010do, \u010do t\u00fdchto \u013eud\u00ed sp\u00e1ja? Vy ste tu u\u017e tro\u0161ku na\u010drtli, \u017ee je akokeby tak\u00e1, tak\u00e1 potreba ozva\u0165 sa a da- \u00eds\u0165 vzorom. Je e\u0161te nie\u010do, \u010do t\u00fdchto \u013eud\u00ed sp\u00e1ja?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:08:28,727 &#8211;&gt; 00:09:10,127 [Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Ja si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee na za\u010diatku u nich nikdy nebolo, \u017ee chc\u00fa \u00eds\u0165 vzorom, ale na za\u010diatku u nich bolo nejak\u00fd cit pre spravodlivos\u0165 a potreba ozva\u0165 sa, ak je nie\u010do nespravodliv\u00e9. A \u010do ich sp\u00e1ja v\u0161etk\u00fdch, je odvaha, hoci oni sami by si to nikdy nepripustili, alebo v\u00e4\u010d\u0161ina z nich to nikdy nepripustila, ke\u010f sme ich ozna\u010dili za odv\u00e1\u017enych, tak zvy\u010dajne tie reakcie boli, \u017ee nie, ja nie som odv\u00e1\u017ena alebo odv\u00e1\u017eny, \u017ee ja som iba robila, \u010do bolo potrebn\u00e9, lebo to nebolo spr\u00e1vne, lebo to nebolo z\u00e1konn\u00e9, lebo to bolo nespravodliv\u00e9. Ale mysl\u00edm si, \u017ee presne toto je odvaha, \u017ee v situ\u00e1cii, kedy by mnoh\u00ed in\u00ed treb\u00e1rs ml\u010dali, tak oni sa ozvali. T\u00e1 odvaha ich naozaj v\u0161etk\u00fdch sp\u00e1ja.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:09:10,127 &#8211;&gt; 00:09:22,807 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Aaa st\u00e1va sa v\u00e1m, \u017ee oni u\u017e aj v \u00favode vedia, ke\u010f do toho id\u00fa, \u017ee m\u00f4\u017eu t\u00fdm ohrozi\u0165 aj svoju rodinu? \u017de zva\u017euj\u00fa aj tak\u00e9to rizik\u00e1? Alebo oni naozaj v\u00f4bec nerozm\u00fd\u0161\u013eaj\u00fa a\u017e tak na tie d\u00f4sledky?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:09:22,807 &#8211;&gt; 00:09:47,727 [Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Mysl\u00edm, \u017ee je to r\u00f4zne, ale, ale ur\u010dite prv\u00fd nejak\u00fd impulz z toho, pre\u010do sa ozv\u00fa, je sk\u00f4r o tom, \u017ee chc\u00fa reagova\u0165 na nie\u010do nespravodliv\u00e9 a nez\u00e1konn\u00e9. Potom mo\u017eno\u017ee si aj nesk\u00f4r uvedomia, ke\u010f u\u017e sa rozbehne ten proces, \u017ee vlastne m\u00f4\u017ee to ma\u0165 nejak\u00e9 dopady na rodinu. A tam je samozrejme aj d\u00f4le\u017eit\u00e9, \u017ee \u010di ich t\u00e1 rodina podr\u017e\u00ed a ako reaguje. Aleee m\u00e1m pocit, \u017ee \u00faplne prim\u00e1rne je to, \u017ee<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:09:47,727 &#8211;&gt; 00:09:54,607 [Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>mmm, \u017ee maj\u00fa potrebu hovori\u0165, preto\u017ee nie\u010do nespravodliv\u00e9 sa deje a, a oni s\u00fa t\u00ed, ktor\u00ed m\u00f4\u017eu o tom hovori\u0165, preto\u017ee o tom vedia.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:09:54,607 &#8211;&gt; 00:09:57,467 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Ako ve\u013emi d\u00f4le\u017eit\u00e1 je t\u00e1 podpora rodiny pod\u013ea v\u00e1s?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:09:57,467 &#8211;&gt; 00:10:12,847 [Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Mysl\u00edm, \u017ee je ve\u013emi d\u00f4le\u017eit\u00e1 t\u00e1 situ\u00e1cia, v ktorej sa \u013eudia ocitn\u00fa, ke\u010f id\u00fa proti niekomu ve\u013ek\u00e9mu, proti nejakej ve\u013ekej ma\u0161in\u00e9rii. A to je \u010dasto treb\u00e1rs zamestn\u00e1vate\u013e. V\u017edycky je to s\u00fa v poz\u00edcii toho men\u0161ieho oproti v\u00e4\u010d\u0161iemu. Takk ehh,<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:10:12,847 &#8211;&gt; 00:10:31,427 [Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>n\u00e1sledne sa spust\u00ed nejak\u00e1 reakcia vo\u010di tak\u00e9muto ozn\u00e1meniu alebo vo\u010di tak\u00e9muku- nejak\u00e9mu konaniu a t\u00e1 vie by\u0165 ve\u013emi zni\u010duj\u00faca, \u010di u\u017e na pracovisku. Ja neviem, \u013eudia sa s nimi prestan\u00fa rozpr\u00e1va\u0165 a podobne. Tu m\u00e1m tak\u00fd pr\u00edklad, \u017ee jedna z<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:10:31,427 &#8211;&gt; 00:12:13,743 [Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>sudk\u00fd\u0148, m\u00f4\u017eem to tak poveda\u0165 v danom \u010dase, preto\u017ee to bolo pred viac ako desiatimi rokmi, dokonca u\u017e takmer pred dvadsiatimi rokmi. Vravela, \u017ee v tom \u010dase, ke\u010f bola v nemilosti, tak sa s \u0148ou na s\u00fade nikto nezohov\u00e1ral, \u017ee nanajv\u00fd\u0161 niekde na toalete jej sudky\u0148a povedali, \u017ee dr\u017e\u00edme ti palce, ale verejne alebo pred ostatn\u00fdmi kolegami jej nikto nevyjadril podporu. Aaa, \u010di\u017ee to je jeden zo sp\u00f4sobov, ako sa sna\u017eia vlastne ich ostrakizova\u0165 aj na, aj na pracovisku. Preto si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee t\u00e1 podpora rodiny je ve\u013emi d\u00f4le\u017eit\u00e1, preto\u017ee potrebuj\u00fa c\u00edti\u0165, \u017ee niekto to vn\u00edma podobne, \u017ee nie s\u00fa, nie s\u00fa straten\u00ed, popleten\u00ed, pom\u00fdlen\u00ed. To je jedna vec a druh\u00e1 vec je, \u017ee je to \u00faplne prirodzen\u00e9, \u017ee \u010dlovek jednoducho ak bojuje proti nie\u010domu pomerne ve\u013ek\u00e9mu, tak potrebuje sa niekde nad\u00fdchnu\u0165, niekde nabra\u0165 sily o niekoho sa oprie\u0165. \u010ci\u017ee rodina a priatelia s\u00fa ur\u010dite ve\u013emi d\u00f4le\u017eit\u00ed. Ale n\u00e1m sa uk\u00e1zalo, \u017ee nes&#8211; nemus\u00ed to by\u0165 len rodina a priatelia, v pr\u00edpadoch t\u00fdch disciplin\u00e1rnych konan\u00ed vo\u010di sudcom, kde sa vlastne disciplin\u00e1rne konanie pou\u017e\u00edvalo ako prostriedok na uml\u010danie sudcov, ktor\u00ed kri- chceli kritizova\u0165 a kritizovali pomery v just\u00edcii, tak tam treb\u00e1rs pomohla aj verejnos\u0165, \u0161ir\u0161ia verejnos\u0165, novin\u00e1ri ehm aj nejak\u00ed \u0161tudenti, ktor\u00ed chodili na tie pojedn\u00e1vania. Dokonca tam boli z\u00e1stupcovia ambas\u00e1d, ktor\u00ed takisto chodili na tie pojedn\u00e1vania. Nemuseli ni\u010d hovori\u0165, ale u\u017e len to, \u017ee bola pln\u00e1 pojedn\u00e1va\u010dka, \u017ee \u010dasto si nemali kam sadn\u00fa\u0165, lebo naozaj pri\u0161lo ich tak ve\u013ea, \u017ee, \u017ee nebolo dos\u0165 miesta, tak bolo zrejm\u00e9, \u017ee je to pr\u00edpad, o ktor\u00fd sa zauj\u00edma verejnos\u0165, o ktor\u00fd-Ktor\u00fd nie je len za zavret\u00fdmi dverami, ale ktor\u00fd naozaj sa deje aj verejne.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:12:13,743 &#8211;&gt; 00:12:32,703 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>T\u00e1 mor\u00e1lna podpora je asi ve\u013emi d\u00f4le\u017eit\u00e1, hlavne ak nie je podpora nejak\u00e9ho najbli\u017e\u0161ieho okolia. Akur\u00e1t som sa chcela sp\u00fdta\u0165, \u017ee \u010di vid\u00edte nejak\u00fd rozdiel medzi sudcami a mo\u017eno\u017ee ke\u010f ste zastupovali nejak\u00fdch kontrol\u00f3rov alebo be\u017en\u00fdch \u00faradn\u00edkov, \u017ee \u010di t\u00ed sudcovia alebo nejak\u00e9 tie profesie pr\u00e1vne s\u00fa odolnej\u0161ie vo\u010di t\u00fdm tlakom? \u010ci ste si v\u0161imli nejak\u00fd rozdiel?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:12:32,703 &#8211;&gt; 00:14:03,343 [Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Neviem poveda\u0165, \u010di s\u00fa odolnej\u0161\u00ed vo\u010di tlakom. Ur\u010dite s\u00fa pripravenej\u0161\u00ed na to, \u017ee \u010do nasleduje, preto\u017ee poznaj\u00fa ten proces, poznaj\u00fa pr\u00e1vo, s\u00fa v tom zorientovan\u00ed, \u010di\u017ee vedia, \u010do bude nasledova\u0165. Be\u017en\u00fd \u010dlovek, ktor\u00fd sa v \u017eivote neocitol na s\u00fade, nie je pripraven\u00fd \u010dasto na to, \u017ee \u010do bude nasledova\u0165, ako dlho to m\u00f4\u017ee trva\u0165 a ako to bude prebieha\u0165. Ale z\u00e1rove\u0148 s\u00fa si vedom\u00ed aj toho, \u017ee \u010do vlastne, ak\u00e9 d\u00f4sledky to m\u00f4\u017ee ma\u0165. Oni to v\u0161etci zvl\u00e1dali s ve\u013ekou c\u0165ou a s ve\u013ekou vn\u00fatornou silou, ale ve\u013emi sa ich to dot\u00fdkalo. Ve\u013emi. Aj ke\u010f \u010dasto o tom treb\u00e1rs nehovorili, poviem pr\u00edklad. Sudcovia za ban\u00e1lne vykon\u0161truovan\u00e9 disciplin\u00e1rne obvinenia, ktor\u00e9 za prv\u00e9 boli vymyslen\u00e9, za druh\u00e9 boli ban\u00e1lneho charakteru, tak mali navrhnut\u00e9 pozastavenie v\u00fdkonu funkcie sudcu. A nielen\u017ee bolo navrhnut\u00e9, ale aj ho mali pozastaven\u00fd t\u00fdm v\u00fdkon. To znamenalo, \u017ee t\u00edto sudcovia, treb\u00e1rs rok, sa nesmeli objavi\u0165 na pracovisku. Oni nesmeli \u00eds\u0165 na s\u00fad. Pre nich to bolo, zo dva pr\u00edpady si pam\u00e4t\u00e1m, \u017ee vlastne tri, \u017ee pre nich to bolo neskuto\u010dne traumatizuj\u00face. Aj ke\u010f navonok o tom tak nehovorili, ale, ale brali to ako neskuto\u010dn\u00fa skrivodlivos\u0165, \u017ee tak\u00fdmto sp\u00f4sobom niekto sa sna\u017e\u00ed ich potresta\u0165. Lebo zhodou okolnost\u00ed to boli sudcovia, ktor\u00ed sudcovsk\u00e9 povolanie brali ve\u013emi v\u00e1\u017ene a brali ho, hovor\u00ed sa to tak vzetie ako poslanie, ale, ale naozaj tak\u00fdmto sp\u00f4sobom k tomu pristupovali.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:14:03,343 &#8211;&gt; 00:14:14,383 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>A okrem teda tej podpory rodiny a verejnosti napad\u00e1 v\u00e1s e\u0161te nie\u010do, \u010do im pomohlo toto obdobie pre\u010dka\u0165? Lebo m\u00f4\u017ee sa aj ve\u013ea na\u0161ich posluch\u00e1\u010dov ocitn\u00fa\u0165 v takej situ\u00e1cii, \u017ee ich pr\u00edpad trv\u00e1 roky.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:14:14,383 &#8211;&gt; 00:14:42,263 [Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Mysl\u00edm si, \u017ee je d\u00f4le\u017eit\u00e9 naozaj o tom hovori\u0165 a komunikova\u0165 aj s \u010fal\u0161\u00edmi \u013eu\u010fmi, \u017ee nenecha\u0165 si to len pre seba a dokonca aj tie negat\u00edvne pocity. Ja nie som psychologi\u010dka, neviem to tak pos\u00fadi\u0165, ale m\u00e1m t\u00fa sk\u00fasenos\u0165 v tom zmysle, \u017ee aj aj tie negat\u00edvne pocity, ako s\u00fa \u00fazkosti, strach a vlastne nejak\u00e9 spochyb\u0148ovanie, \u010di som dobre urobila alebo urobil alebo nie, tak aj to je dobr\u00e9 s niekym rie\u0161i\u0165. Nenech\u00e1va\u0165 si to len pre seba, lebo \u010dlovek, ke\u010f<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:14:42,263 &#8211;&gt; 00:15:21,383 [Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>nem\u00e1 ten tak\u00fd nejak\u00fd odstup s\u00e1m od seba a v tak\u00fdchto situ\u00e1ci\u00e1ch je to mimoriadne zlo\u017eit\u00e9 ma\u0165 odstup, tak ho ve\u013emi pohlt\u00ed t\u00e1 vec. Takisto je dobr\u00e9 ma\u0165 z\u00e1stupcu. A teraz nechcem si t\u00fdm nijak nahr\u00e1va\u0165, \u017ee zoberte si advok\u00e1ta, ale naozaj je ve\u013emi d\u00f4le\u017eit\u00e9 ma\u0165 niekoho pri sebe, kto jednak rozumie tomu procesu a jednak m\u00e1 odstup od toho, nepre\u017e\u00edva to tak ve\u013emi vn\u00fatorne. A takisto je aj ur\u010dit\u00fdm n\u00e1razn\u00edkom na niektor\u00e9 ataky, ktor\u00e9 prich\u00e1dzaj\u00fa z druhej strany, tak\u017ee zjem\u0148uje vlastne tro\u0161ku t\u00fa situ\u00e1ciu pre toho \u010dloveka, ktor\u00fd sa sna\u017e\u00ed br\u00e1ni\u0165.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:15:21,383 &#8211;&gt; 00:15:54,983 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>N\u00e1\u0161 \u00farad sa tie\u017e v tomto sna\u017e\u00ed robi\u0165 tak\u00fa osvetu, \u017ee pon\u00fakame na\u0161im klientom aj teda zdarma psychosoci\u00e1lnu podporu, ale tie\u017e sa n\u00e1m st\u00e1va, \u017ee nar\u00e1\u017eame tro\u0161ku e\u0161te na t\u00fa stigmu, \u017ee \u013eudia maj\u00fa pocit, \u017ee to musia zvl\u00e1dnu\u0165 sami a \u017ee predsa nie s\u00fa bl\u00e1zni. Pre\u010do by mali rozpr\u00e1va\u0165 so psychol\u00f3gom? Ale dneska sa aj ukazuje teda, \u017ee t\u00e1 osveta v tom du\u0161evnom zdrav\u00ed je potrebn\u00e1 a \u017ee to vie ve\u013emi pom\u00f4c\u0165. Presne preto, ako ste to vy povedali, \u017ee \u010dlovek potrebuje o t\u00fdch veciach hovori\u0165, ke\u010f ich v sebe dus\u00ed, tak samozrejme je to akokeby nejak\u00e1 emot\u00edvna, emo\u010dn\u00e1 z\u00e1\u0165a\u017e a nem\u00e1 ten odstup a \u017eia\u013e, potom m\u00f4\u017ee robi\u0165 aj chyby v nejakom rozhodovan\u00ed.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:15:54,983 &#8211;&gt; 00:16:18,263 [Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Presne tak, jednak m\u00f4\u017ee robi\u0165 chyby, jednak nevie vyhodnoti\u0165, \u010do je najlep\u0161\u00ed postup treb\u00e1rs. Tak\u017ee preto ur\u010dite vrele odpor\u00fa\u010dam a toto je pod\u013ea m\u0148a presne sp\u00f4sob, ak\u00fdm sa d\u00e1 pom\u00e1ha\u0165 \u013eu\u010fom, ktor\u00ed sa ocitn\u00fa v takejto \u0165a\u017ekej situ\u00e1cii, lebo t\u00e1 situ\u00e1cia naozaj je \u0165a\u017ek\u00e1.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:16:18,263 &#8211;&gt; 00:16:22,363 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Spom\u00ednate si na nejak\u00fd pr\u00edbeh vyslobodila? Ktor\u00fd dodnes vo v\u00e1s rezonuje?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:16:22,363 &#8211;&gt; 00:17:01,983 [Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>\u00daplne na prv\u00fa. Ke\u010f si predstav\u00edm, tak je to \u013dubica Lapinov\u00e1, ktor\u00e1 zhodou okolnost\u00ed tragicky zahynula tento rok. Ale to bol pr\u00edbeh, ktor\u00fd jednak trval nieko\u013eko rokov, vlastne ako v\u00e4\u010d\u0161ina z t\u00fdch pr\u00edbehov trv\u00e1 nieko\u013eko rokov. Aj osoba tej pani Lapinovej bola tak\u00e1 krehk\u00e1 blond\u00fdnka, ktor\u00e1 proste \u017eila z ni\u010doho. Starala sa o chor\u00fa mamu. Poch\u00e1dzala z obce Podkriv\u00e1\u0148, kde \u017eila v takom, ja by som povedala, \u017ee ve\u013emi malom, ve\u013emi skromnom dom\u010deku na okraji obce. \u010ci\u017ee oni \u017eili tak tro\u0161ku mimo, mimo centra obce a napriek tomu ona nikdy nebola zatrpknut\u00e1.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:17:01,983 &#8211;&gt; 00:17:06,003 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Pripom\u00edmeme si tro\u0161ku jej pr\u00edpad, \u017ee o \u010dom bol, \u010do ona vlastne ozn\u00e1mila.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:17:06,003 &#8211;&gt; 00:18:14,207 [Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Pani Lapinov\u00e1 bola kontrol\u00f3rka v N\u00e1rodnom lesn\u00edckom centre. Bola v tom \u010dase jedinou kontrol\u00f3rkou a v, pri svojej pr\u00e1ci zaregistrovala nejak\u00e9 nezrovnalosti v s\u00favislosti s jednou akciou alebo teda s&#8211; obstar\u00e1val sa tak\u00fd projekt, ktor\u00fd sa volal Forest port\u00e1l a tam zistila nejak\u00e9 finan\u010dn\u00e9 nezrovnalosti. Tie potom nahl\u00e1sila a ke\u010f to skr\u00e1tim, tak skon\u010dilo to t\u00fdm, \u017ee dostala v\u00fdpove\u010f z organiza\u010dn\u00fdch d\u00f4vodov, \u017ee zru\u0161ili toto miesto, hoci to bola jedin\u00e1 kontrol\u00f3rka a pod\u013ea vtedy platnej legislat\u00edvy tak\u00fdto typ in\u0161tit\u00facie musel ma\u0165 kontrol\u00f3ra, kontrol\u00f3rku, ktor\u00fd vlastne kontroluje obeh financi\u00ed. Tak\u017ee, tak\u017ee ju vlastne vyhodili. Bola to pani, ktor\u00e1 mala okolo p\u00e4\u0165desiat rokov v tom \u010dase. Tie\u017e je d\u00f4le\u017eit\u00e9 poveda\u0165, \u017ee bolo to zo stredn\u00e9ho Slovenska, kde nie je tak\u00e9 ve\u013emi jednoduch\u00e9 zohna\u0165 pr\u00e1cu a u\u017e v\u00f4bec nie pre \u017eenu v takomto veku. A napriek tomu ona proste trpezlivo i\u0161la a vlastne do\u0161la a\u017e, a\u017e do \u00faspe\u0161n\u00e9ho konca. Hoci teda treba poveda\u0165, \u017ee neu\u017eila si to ve\u013emi, ale&#8230;Ale do\u0161la a\u017e do \u00faspe\u0161n\u00e9ho konca.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:18:14,207 &#8211;&gt; 00:18:21,467 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>\u00c1no, v roku 2019 s\u00fad povedal, \u017ee bola nez\u00e1konne prepusten\u00e1 a mysl\u00edm si, \u017ee aj bolo asi vyplaten\u00e9 u\u0161l\u00e1 mzda-<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:18:21,467 &#8211;&gt; 00:18:57,588 [Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>N\u00e1sledne vys\u00fadila potom aj u\u0161l\u00fa mzdu. Ale teda trvalo to cel\u00e9 asi sedem rokov a ona za ten \u010das \u017eila naozaj bu\u010f z d\u00e1vok soci\u00e1lnych, alebo bola zamestnan\u00e1 na aktiva\u010dn\u00fdch pr\u00e1cach v obci. Jedna d\u00e1ma, kultivovan\u00e1 \u017eena, ak&#8211; ale ona sa nezdr\u00e1hala toho, \u017ee zametala ulice, jej to nerobilo probl\u00e9m. Ona sa ani nec\u00edtila nijak\u00e1 pon\u00ed\u017een\u00e1 t\u00fdm, \u017ee zamet\u00e1 ulice, sk\u00f4r t\u00fdm, \u017ee mala pocit, \u017ee je nevyu\u017eit\u00fd jej potenci\u00e1l na to, aby mohla nie\u010do uk\u00e1za\u0165 a naozaj, \u017ee \u017eila, \u017eila, nejak\u00fdch sto osemdesiat eur mala soci\u00e1lne d\u00e1vky v tom \u010dase, plus sa starala o chor\u00fa mamu.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:18:57,588 &#8211;&gt; 00:19:12,147 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>\u00c1no, po mozgovej pr\u00edhode. Spom\u00ednala to vo viacer\u00fdch vyst\u00fapeniach verejn\u00fdch. Rie\u0161ila pani Lapinov\u00e1 nejak\u00e9 dilemy, \u010di m\u00e1 do toho v\u00f4bec \u00eds\u0165 alebo \u010falej pokra\u010dova\u0165? Bolo predsa len sedem rokov je tie\u017e hrozne dlh\u00e1 doba a po\u010das tej doby sa jej muselo hlavou prenies\u0165 v\u0161eli\u010do.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:19:12,147 &#8211;&gt; 00:19:24,867 [Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Ur\u010dite \u00e1no, zam\u00fd\u0161\u013eala sa nad t\u00fdm, ale sk\u00f4r, sk\u00f4r to bolo o tom, \u017ee \u017ee nijak nevidela konca, \u017ee \u010di vlastne sa dopracuje. Nie\u017eeby spochyb\u0148ovala to, \u010do urobila alebo \u017eeby<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:19:24,867 &#8211;&gt; 00:19:55,927 [Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>spochyb\u0148ovala to svoje rozhodnutie to ozn\u00e1mi\u0165 a za\u010da\u0165 sa s\u00fadi\u0165, ale sk\u00f4r, sk\u00f4r t\u00fdm, \u017ee ten proces trval tak ve\u013emi dlho a za ten \u010das ako\u017ee ona \u010delila aj tomu, \u017ee dali na \u0148u trestn\u00e9 ozn\u00e1menie, \u017ee \u00fadajne ukradla dokumenty a podobne. \u010ci\u017ee to nebolo len, \u017ee ona dala svoju \u017ealobu na s\u00fad, kde sa dom\u00e1hala, aby s\u00fad vyslovil to, \u017ee ten pracovn\u00fd pomer bol skon\u010den\u00fd, niej neplatne a neopr\u00e1vnene. Ale tam vlastne aj to N\u00e1rodn\u00e9 lesn\u00edcke centrum tak vcelku zjednodu\u0161ene povedan\u00e9, i\u0161lo po nej.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:19:55,927 &#8211;&gt; 00:19:57,187 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>A v\u010faka \u010domu vytrvala?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:19:57,187 &#8211;&gt; 00:20:19,947 [Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Ona mala okruh tak\u00fdch priate\u013eov, ktor\u00ed ju v tom povzbudzovali a podporovali, niektor\u00ed dokonca aj ob\u010das finan\u010dne jej vypom\u00e1hali. A mysl\u00edm si, \u017ee toto bolo hlavne to, \u017ee mala okolo seba \u013eud\u00ed, tak ako sme sa bavili, \u017ee ne-nezostala v tom \u00faplne sama, ale mala okolo seba \u013eud\u00ed, ktor\u00ed ju podporovali a nejak\u00fdm sp\u00f4sobom sa ju sna\u017eili povzbudi\u0165 a pom\u00f4c\u0165 jej.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:20:19,947 &#8211;&gt; 00:20:26,147 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>A mysl\u00edte, \u017ee dneska by sme ju vedeli lep\u0161ie ochr\u00e1ni\u0165 v\u010faka legislat\u00edve, ktor\u00e1 existuje a ktor\u00e1 zria\u010fuje n\u00e1\u0161 \u00farad?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:20:26,147 &#8211;&gt; 00:21:05,407 [Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Mysl\u00edm si, \u017ee \u00e1no, \u010do neznamen\u00e1, ke\u010f\u017ee vid\u00edme, \u017ee to nie je \u00faplne v\u0161emocn\u00e9, \u017ee by sa jej nemohlo sta\u0165 nie\u010do podobn\u00e9, ale zrejme by to bolo zlo\u017eitej\u0161ie. U\u017e v tom \u010dase vlastne ona, ke\u010f dostala v\u00fdpove\u010f, tak u\u017e v tom \u010dase ona eh, bola \u010dlenka odborovej organiz\u00e1cie, \u010di\u017ee vlastne t\u00e1 ob&#8211; odborov\u00e1 organiz\u00e1cia sa k tomu nejak\u00fdm sp\u00f4sobom musela vyjadri\u0165 a t\u00e1 d\u00e1vala nes\u00fahlasn\u00e9 stanovisko. Vedeli, pre\u010do d\u00e1vaj\u00fa nes\u00fahlasn\u00e9 stanovisko. Nesta\u010dilo to. Ale zrejme, teda zrejme ur\u010dite toto by bol \u010fal\u0161\u00ed krok, ktor\u00fd by sa \u0165a\u017e\u0161ie prekon\u00e1val tomu zamestn\u00e1vate\u013eovi, ak by chcel tak\u00fdmto sp\u00f4sobom naozaj otvorene nepriate\u013esk\u00fdm ju vy\u0161tv\u00e1\u0165 zo zamestnania.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:21:05,407 &#8211;&gt; 00:21:16,447 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>M\u0148a aj napad\u00e1, \u017ee keby ona mala status chr\u00e1nen\u00e9ho oznamovate\u013ea, tak okrem teda toho, \u017ee by sme museli da\u0165 s\u00fahlas, tak aj keby i\u0161lo to na s\u00fad, tak v priebehu cel\u00e9ho toho sporu by mala n\u00e1rok na mzdu.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:21:16,447 &#8211;&gt; 00:21:16,727 [Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Presne tak.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:21:16,727 &#8211;&gt; 00:21:22,007 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>\u010ci\u017ee nemusela by zh\u00e1\u0148a\u0165 a chodi\u0165 na aktiva\u010dn\u00e9 pr\u00e1ce, \u017ee aspo\u0148 toto by mala porie\u0161en\u00e9.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:21:22,007 &#8211;&gt; 00:21:24,347 [Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Ur\u010dite \u00e1no. Ten \u017eivot by mala jednoduch\u0161\u00ed.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:21:24,347 &#8211;&gt; 00:21:30,927 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Ako sme u\u017e spomenuli, pani Lapinov\u00e1, \u017eia\u013e, tento rok tragicky zomrela pri autonehode. Ak\u00fd odkaz n\u00e1m pod\u013ea v\u00e1s zanechala?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:21:30,927 &#8211;&gt; 00:21:41,127 [Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>St\u00e1le sa asi to\u010d\u00edm okolo toho, ale, ale jednoducho, \u017ee nemus\u00edte by\u0165 ve\u013ek\u00fd mocn\u00fd \u010dlovek na to, aby ste boli odv\u00e1\u017ena alebo odv\u00e1\u017eny.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:21:41,127 &#8211;&gt; 00:21:47,467 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>A vy ste boli s \u0148ou posledn\u00e9 mesiace v kontakte, \u017ee ako ona sp\u00e4tne pozer\u00e1 na ten svoj pr\u00edbeh? I\u0161la by do toho znova?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:21:47,467 &#8211;&gt; 00:22:23,827 [Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Neviem o tom, \u017ee by ne\u0161la do toho. Nem\u00f4\u017eem poveda\u0165, \u017ee posledn\u00e9 mesiace som bola s \u0148ou v kontakte naposledy. Mysl\u00edm si, \u017ee minul\u00fd rok, ale nikdy to ne\u013eutovala. Nikdy ur\u010dite ne\u013eutovala, \u017ee nemala som to urobi\u0165, lebo ona to vn\u00edmala, \u017ee, \u017ee bolo by to nef\u00e9r, keby to neurobila a \u017ee ona jednoducho mala ve\u013ek\u00fa zodpovednos\u0165, ktor\u00e1 vypl\u00fdvala z tej jej pracovnej poz\u00edcie, \u017ee bola kontrol\u00f3rka teda mala kontrolova\u0165 obeh financi\u00ed verejnej in\u0161tit\u00facie. Tak\u017ee ona to pova\u017eovala, \u017ee, \u017ee to je ve\u013ek\u00e1 zodpovednos\u0165 a ona si nem\u00f4\u017ee dovoli\u0165 nie\u010do prehliadnu\u0165, \u017ee. \u010ci\u017ee ona to brala pod\u013ea m\u0148a st\u00e1le tak, \u017ee, \u017ee ona to musela urobi\u0165, \u010di chcela alebo nechcela.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:22:23,827 &#8211;&gt; 00:22:43,207 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>To je naozaj eh, ve\u013emi podobn\u00e9 s t\u00fdmi pr\u00edbehmi, ktor\u00e9 sme u\u017e aj komunikovali, \u017ee ak\u00fd siln\u00fd pocit zodpovednosti t\u00edto \u013eudia maj\u00fa, aaa, a ako ve\u013ea musia tomu obetova\u0165. [hranie gitary]<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:22:43,207 &#8211;&gt; 00:22:53,067 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Vy ste n\u00e1m alebo teda pri tej pr\u00edprave na tento podcast rozpr\u00e1vali aj o pr\u00edpade sudcu Milana Ru\u017ei\u010dku. Povedzme aj na\u0161im posluch\u00e1\u010dom nie\u010do o tomto v\u00fdnimo\u010dnom sudcovi.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:22:53,067 &#8211;&gt; 00:24:09,399 [Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>P\u00e1n sudca Milan Ru\u017ei\u010dka tie\u017e \u017eia\u013e u\u017e zomrel pred desiatimi rokmi, ale bol to jeden pod\u013ea mojej mienky fakt mimoriadne ojedinel\u00fd \u010dlovek. Skoro by som povedala, \u017ee zjav. Ako som ho ja poznala, tak to bol ve\u013emi \u010destn\u00fd \u010dlovek, ve\u013emi vzdelan\u00fd, ve\u013emi rozh\u013eaden\u00fd, ktor\u00fd nebol koncentrovan\u00fd len na pr\u00e1vo, ale on bol \u0161iroko \u010faleko zn\u00e1my t\u00fdm, \u017ee mal ve\u013emi r\u00e1d dobr\u00fa hudbu, jazzov\u00fa, rockov\u00fa hudbu, kvalitn\u00fa a teda t\u00fdm \u017eil tie\u017e. Bol jedn\u00fdm zo spoluautorov modern\u00e9ho exeku\u010dn\u00e9ho z\u00e1kona, ku ktor\u00e9mu vlastne potom aj p\u00f4sobil ako, ako vzdel\u00e1vate\u013e sudcov a justi\u010dn\u00fdch \u010dakate\u013eov a vy\u0161\u0161\u00edch s\u00fadnych \u00faradn\u00edkov. Bol to predseda Okresn\u00e9ho s\u00fadu vo Ve\u013ekom Krt\u00ed\u0161i, kde bez toho, aby, aby nejak zo strany ministerstva alebo zo strany politickej moci pri\u0161li nejak\u00e9 pokyny, \u017ee ak\u00fdm sp\u00f4sobom m\u00e1 zve\u013ea\u010fova\u0165 a zreformova\u0165 tento s\u00fad a hovor\u00edme o Ve\u013ekom Krt\u00ed\u0161i, tak on pou\u017e\u00edval viacer\u00e9 tak\u00e9 reformn\u00e9 praktiky, kde tie\u017e napr\u00edklad zis\u0165oval.Anonymn\u00fdm sp\u00f4sobom od \u013eud\u00ed, \u017ee \u010di sa stretli s nejak\u00fdmi nekal\u00fdmi korup\u010dn\u00fdmi praktikami na s\u00fade a podobne.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:24:09,399 &#8211;&gt; 00:24:11,879 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Ten u\u017e mal vn\u00fatorn\u00fd syst\u00e9m oznamovania-<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:24:11,879 &#8211;&gt; 00:24:12,140 [Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>\u00c1no.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:24:12,140 &#8211;&gt; 00:24:14,440 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>-funk\u010dn\u00fd, aj ke\u010f nebol e\u0161te n\u00e1\u0161 z\u00e1kon.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:24:14,440 &#8211;&gt; 00:25:01,499 [Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Presne tak. Presne tak to bolo pred nejak\u00fdmi desiatimi, p\u00e4tn\u00e1stimi rokmi. Pre neho to bolo ve\u013emi d\u00f4le\u017eit\u00e9. Ve\u013emi si zakladal na tom, aby ten s\u00fad bol funk\u010dn\u00fd. Bol pod\u013ea toho, ako teda hovorila aj ona a jeho kolegovia, tak bol ve\u013emi pracovit\u00fd a mal ve\u013emi ve\u013ek\u00fd poriadok vo veciach, v tom, aby mu proste nezost\u00e1vali star\u00e9 nerozhodnut\u00e9 veci na stole. A preto ve\u013emi \u0165a\u017eko niesol to, \u017ee disciplin\u00e1rne konanie, ktor\u00e9 na neho na\u0161ili a teda tr\u00fafam si poveda\u0165, \u017ee naozaj to bolo na\u0161it\u00e9, preto\u017ee teda pozn\u00e1m tie detaily, tak malo spo\u010d\u00edva\u0165 v tom, \u017ee nerozhodol nieko\u013eko rokov o nejakom podan\u00ed. My sme cel\u00fd \u010das po\u010das toho disciplin\u00e1rneho konania tvrdili a preukazovali sme aj d\u00f4kazmi, \u017ee jednoducho ten, toto podanie tam bolo vsunut\u00e9 do spisu dodato\u010dne. Nebolo ani \u017eurnalizovan\u00e9 spr\u00e1vne a podobne.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:25:01,499 &#8211;&gt; 00:25:05,439 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>A vysvetlime mo\u017eno posluch\u00e1\u010dom kontext, \u017ee pre\u010do on bol nepohodln\u00fd.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:25:05,439 &#8211;&gt; 00:26:02,739 [Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Mysl\u00edm, \u017ee pr\u00e1ve preto, \u017ee v \u010dase, teraz u\u017e teda nie Me\u010diarizmu, ale v \u010dase, kedy bol na \u010dele slovenskej just\u00edcie \u0160tefan Harabin, tak bol kritick\u00fd jednak aj vo\u010di \u0160tefanovi Harabinovi, aj vo\u010di vedeniu treb\u00e1rs Krajsk\u00e9ho s\u00fadu v Banskej Bystrici, pod gesciu ktor\u00e9ho on spadal. Preto, lebo on bol sudcom naozaj telom i du\u0161ou a sna\u017eil sa tak\u00fdm sp\u00f4sobom robi\u0165 svoju pr\u00e1cu, riadi\u0165 s\u00fad, na ktorom p\u00f4sobil a o\u010dak\u00e1val, \u017ee to tak bud\u00fa robi\u0165 aj, aj na t\u00fdch ostatn\u00fdch s\u00fadoch alebo teda nadriaden\u00fd s\u00fad, \u010do sa nie v\u017edy \u00faplne takto dialo. \u010ci\u017ee bol kritick\u00fd, patril k tej kritickej skupine sudcov, ktor\u00ed sa neb\u00e1li a oz\u00fdvali sa. V \u010dase, kedy teda \u0160tefan Harabin tam p\u00f4sobil, napriek tomu, \u017ee ich nebolo ve\u013ea, boli ich desiatky len, ale napriek tomu sa oz\u00fdval. \u010ci\u017ee on sa vlastne stal z tohto d\u00f4vodu nepohodln\u00fdm, ako aj predseda s\u00fadu, aj ako sudca.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:26:02,739 &#8211;&gt; 00:26:04,599 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>\u010ci\u017ee bol to prostriedok, ako ho uml\u010da\u0165.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:26:04,599 &#8211;&gt; 00:27:28,759 [Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Sna\u017eili sa ho uml\u010da\u0165 presne tak t\u00fdmto sp\u00f4sobom a m\u00f4\u017ee\u0161, \u017ee dopov\u00edm iba vykon\u0161truovali to tak, \u017ee vlo\u017eili do nejak\u00e9ho exeku\u010dn\u00e9ho spisu nejak\u00e9 podanie, o ktorom potom tvrdili, \u017ee nerozhodol a teda sp\u00f4sobil prie\u0165ahy v konan\u00ed. \u010co by bola jedna vec, hej? My sme tvrdili, \u017ee to podanie tam nebolo ur\u010dite, preto\u017ee keby tam bolo, tak by bolo \u017eurnalizovan\u00e9 tak ako v\u0161etky ostatn\u00e9 listiny. T\u00e1to jedin\u00e1 nebola za\u017eurnalizovan\u00e1, to znamen\u00e1, \u017ee nemala poradov\u00e9 \u010d\u00edslo listu, lebo sa tam vlo\u017eila a\u017e o nieko\u013eko rokov, kde u\u017e medzit\u00fdm tam doplnili sa \u010fal\u0161ie listiny, \u010di\u017ee bolo vykon\u0161truovan\u00e9, ale keby aj, keby aj sp\u00f4sobil nejak\u00e9 prie\u0165ahy v konan\u00ed? Nikto sa na\u0148ho nes\u0165a\u017eoval, \u017eiadna strana v konan\u00ed, nikto. Nesp\u00f4sobil nikomu \u017eiadnu \u00fajmu a hlavne jemu navrhovali za prie\u0165ahy v konan\u00ed, za prv\u00e9 mu pozastavili v\u00fdkon funkcie na rok a to bol jeden z t\u00fdch, ktor\u00fd to niesol naozaj ve\u013emi \u0165a\u017eko, ve\u013emi osobne a za druh\u00e9 mu navrhovali najsk\u00f4r odvolanie z funkcie sudcu a potom vlastne v jednom rozhodnut\u00ed dostal trest p\u00e4\u0165desiat percent zr\u00e1\u017eky zo mzdy na nejak\u00fdch p\u00e4\u0165 alebo \u0161es\u0165 mesiacov, \u010do je naozaj pomerne, pomerne v\u00e1\u017eny trest za jedny jedin\u00e9 prie\u0165ahy v konan\u00ed. Ja dnes viem, \u017ee ak\u00fdm sp\u00f4sobom sa disciplin\u00e1rne s\u00fady alebo disciplin\u00e1rny s\u00fad, disciplin\u00e1rne sen\u00e1ty vyporiadavaj\u00fa s prie\u0165ahmi v konan\u00ed. Je to samozrejme nie\u010do, \u010do nem\u00e1 by\u0165. Je potrebn\u00e9 to nejak\u00fdm sp\u00f4sobom postihn\u00fa\u0165, ale nepostihuje sa to tak\u00fdmto drakonick\u00fdm, absol\u00fatne nezmyseln\u00fdm trestom.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:27:28,759 &#8211;&gt; 00:27:30,419 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>A ako to nakoniec dopadlo?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:27:30,419 &#8211;&gt; 00:28:09,759 [Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Teda v prvom stupni bol uznan\u00fd vinn\u00fdm a dostal tak\u00fdto trest. To rozhodnutie bolo \u00faplne \u0161ialen\u00e9, preto\u017ee s takmer s ni\u010d\u00edm, \u010do sme my namietali v konan\u00ed, sa nevysporiadali, ani sa len neobtreli o to v rozhodnut\u00ed a vo d\u00f4vodnen\u00ed. Odvolac\u00ed disciplin\u00e1rny sen\u00e1t teda potom tie\u017e s\u00edce rozhodol, \u017ee je vinn\u00fd, ale upustil od potrestania, ako keby tak\u00fa l\u00e1skavos\u0165 mu dal. On bral v\u00e1\u017ene aj to, \u017ee, \u017ee v\u00f4bec ho uznali za vinn\u00e9ho, preto\u017ee on sa nec\u00edtil vinn\u00fd, lebo on naozaj ve\u013emi poctivo pristupoval k svojej pr\u00e1ci. Tak\u017ee u\u017e toto pre neho bolo ve\u013ekou nespravodlivos\u0165ou. Ale teda tak\u00fdmto sp\u00f4sobom to skon\u010dilo.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:28:09,759 &#8211;&gt; 00:28:28,599 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Nebolo pre neho tro\u0161ku aj \u00fatechou, ten ako keby podpora verejnosti a to, \u017ee na tie disciplin\u00e1rne konania, ako ste u\u017e spom\u00ednali, chodili aj r\u00f4zni z\u00e1stupcovia z mimovl\u00e1dneho sektora, z ambas\u00e1d alebo celkovo novin\u00e1ri, \u017ee nebolo pre\u0148ho sk\u00f4r hmm aj toto \u00fatechou, \u017ee vlastne \u013eudia, verejnos\u0165 vie, ako to naozaj bolo a \u017ee je to vlastne vykon\u0161truovan\u00e9?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:28:28,599 &#8211;&gt; 00:28:39,179 [Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Nepovedala by som, \u017ee \u00fatechou. Bolo to pre neho ur\u010dite povzbuden\u00edm, ale nepovedala by som, \u017ee \u00fatechou, lebo on, on to mal v tom jasno. On, on to vn\u00edmal, \u017ee to je mimoriadne nespravodliv\u00e9.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:28:39,179 &#8211;&gt; 00:28:40,919 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>A pokra\u010doval potom vo svojej \u010dinnosti?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:28:40,919 &#8211;&gt; 00:29:50,119 [Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Pokra\u010doval a nesk\u00f4r, ke\u010f \u0160tefan Harabin odi\u0161iel, tak potom sa znovu stal predsedom s\u00fadu vo Ve\u013ekom Krti\u0161i, lebo teda vyhral v\u00fdberov\u00e9 konanie. A iba by som mo\u017eno povedala jednu, jednu vec. On v z\u00e1vere\u010dnej re\u010di na tom odvolacom disciplin\u00e1rnom sen\u00e1te, kde teda sme hovorili, najsk\u00f4r som hovorila ja a potom v tom z\u00e1vere\u010dnom slove e\u0161te hovoril aj on, ako to on vn\u00edmal, ako to videl, tak on zakon\u010dil t\u00fa z\u00e1vere\u010dn\u00fa re\u010d svoju eh, tak\u00fdmi slovami, \u017ee &#8222;To \u0165a\u017ek\u00e9, temn\u00e9, ne\u017eelan\u00e9 sa raz skon\u010d\u00ed. K\u00fdm sa tak stane, pr\u00e1ve to \u0165a\u017ek\u00e9 a temn\u00e9 nesie v sebe posolstvo n\u00e1deje, bud\u00facnosti a zmyslu. Ver\u00edm v spravodlivos\u0165.&#8220; Mne to pri\u0161li stra\u0161ne siln\u00e9 slov\u00e1 v tej pojedn\u00e1va\u010dke, kde v z\u00e1sade sa ide po faktoch a po ve\u013emi tak technokraticky, po paragrafoch a podobne. A on zrazu do toho vniesol e\u0161te nie\u010do \u010fal\u0161ie. Ja si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee aj ten disciplin\u00e1rny sen\u00e1t vtedy len tak pozeral, lebo boli to tak\u00e9 nezvy\u010dajn\u00e9 slov\u00e1. A presne on to, on to nepovedal ako fr\u00e1zu, on to, on to takto vn\u00edmal, on to takto c\u00edtil. On, on bol o tom tak\u00fdmto sp\u00f4sobom presved\u010den\u00fd.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:29:50,119 &#8211;&gt; 00:29:58,779 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>A zd\u00e1 sa, \u017ee on mal aj v sebe tak\u00fd \u00e9tos naozaj eh, v\u00fdnimo\u010dn\u00e9ho sudcu, ktor\u00fd naozaj \u017eije aj tou spravodlivos\u0165ou a ver\u00ed v \u0148u a\u017e do posledn\u00e9ho d\u0148a.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:29:58,779 &#8211;&gt; 00:30:48,283 [Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Presne tak som ho vn\u00edmala ja. On takisto ako mal pozastaven\u00fd ten v\u00fdkon, tak to bral tak osobne a on bol z toho tak ne\u0161\u0165astn\u00fd, \u017ee nem\u00f4\u017ee chodi\u0165 na s\u00fad. Jemu nevadilo, \u017ee nie je predsedom s\u00fadu. To bolo \u00faplne bezv\u00fdznamn\u00e9 v z\u00e1sade, ale to, \u017ee on nem\u00f4\u017ee chodi\u0165 na s\u00fad a pracova\u0165 ako sudca&#8230;A vedel, \u017ee to je nespravodliv\u00e9, preto\u017ee u\u017e aj v tom \u010dase pozastavi\u0165 v\u00fdkon funkcie sudcu bolo mo\u017en\u00e9 len vtedy, ak mu mohol hrozi\u0165 trest odvolanie z funkcie sudcu, teda ten naj\u0165a\u017e\u0161\u00ed trest. A znovu teda pripom\u00ednam, hovor\u00edme o vykon\u0161truovanom, ale v z\u00e1sade jedinej jednej veci, kde mal sa dopusti\u0165 pr\u00ed\u0165ahu v konan\u00ed, \u010do je absol\u00fatne neadekv\u00e1tny trest. Nie je mo\u017en\u00e9, aby bol odvolan\u00fd za to z funkcie sudcu.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:30:48,283 &#8211;&gt; 00:31:09,024 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Dobrou spr\u00e1vou je ale, \u017ee ten jeho pr\u00edbeh m\u00e1 naozaj pozit\u00edvny z\u00e1ver, \u017ee sa na-nakoniec aj vr\u00e1til na ten s\u00fad, \u017ee pokra\u010doval vo svojej-vo svojej profesii. A povedzme si mo\u017eno, \u017ee ako sa zmenil aj charakter t\u00fdch disciplin\u00e1rnych konan\u00ed, \u017ee tam akokeby nastal tie\u017e ur\u010dit\u00fd posun, \u017ee kedysi to bolo ve\u013emi \u013eahko zmanipulovate\u013en\u00e9 a nebolo to \u00faplne nez\u00e1visl\u00e9, \u017ee sk\u00faste poveda\u0165, ak\u00fd posun sa stal pri tom-<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:31:09,024 &#8211;&gt; 00:33:17,863 [Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>V disciplin\u00e1rnych konaniach nastal naozaj ve\u013emi ve\u013ek\u00fd posun. Ono to sa vyv\u00edjalo v \u010dase, dakedy na za\u010diatku tie disciplin\u00e1rne sen\u00e1ty volila s\u00fadna rada a samozrejme z\u00e1le\u017ealo, kto mal v\u00e4\u010d\u0161inu v s\u00fadnej rade. A bolo to v \u010dase, kedy jej vl\u00e1dol a naozaj vl\u00e1dol pevnou rukou \u0160tefan Harabin. \u010ci\u017ee nikto si neodv\u00e1\u017eil hlasova\u0165 proti nemu. A tam teda t\u00e1to s\u00fadna rada vyberala \u010dlenov disciplin\u00e1rnych sen\u00e1tov. Ja som za\u017eila disciplin\u00e1rne sen\u00e1ty, ktor\u00e9 boli s\u00edce poskladan\u00e9 z pr\u00e1vnikov, lebo v\u017edycky toto bola podmienka, ale boli to \u013eudia, ktor\u00ed \u010dasto bolo vidie\u0165, \u017ee ani netu\u0161ia, o \u010dom sa, o \u010dom sa rokuje na tom disciplin\u00e1rnom konan\u00ed a v z\u00e1sade ich nejak\u00e9, nejak\u00fd \u00e9tos a mor\u00e1lne hodnoty boli asi ve\u013emi pochybn\u00e9. A plus to tak aj brali niekedy ja neviem, nejak\u00fd \u010dlen disciplin\u00e1rneho sen\u00e1tu me\u0161kal na pojedn\u00e1vanie. \u010cakali sme tam na\u0148ho v\u0161etci hodinu alebo ko\u013eko? On potom pri\u0161iel s t\u00fdm, \u017ee \u201epard\u00f3n, pard\u00f3n, som mal nejak\u00e9 pracovn\u00e9 povinnosti&#8220; a uprostred pojedn\u00e1vania sa tento ist\u00fd \u010dlen zdvihol, \u017ee pozrel na hodinky, \u017ee \u201esorry, ale mus\u00edm od\u00eds\u0165, lebo ja m\u00e1m zase pracovn\u00e9 povinnosti.&#8220; \u017de pre nich to v\u00f4bec nebolo d\u00f4le\u017eit\u00e9, \u017ee tam sed\u00ed \u010dlovek, ktor\u00e9mu ide o ve\u013ea. A to je jedno, \u010di mu i\u0161lo o odvolanie z funkcie sudcu, alebo jednoducho sa rie\u0161il nejak\u00fd jeho pracovn\u00fd prehre\u0161ok. Ale, ale pr\u00edstup tohto \u010dlena Disciplin\u00e1rneho sen\u00e1tu bol \u00faplne absurdn\u00fd. No ale postupne teda sme sa dostali do situ\u00e1cie, kedy m\u00e1me pr\u00e1vnu \u00fapravu podobn\u00fa, ako je v \u010cech\u00e1ch. A s\u00edce, \u017ee tie disciplin\u00e1rne sen\u00e1ty sa maxim\u00e1lne sprofesionalizovali, \u010do bolo ve\u013emi d\u00f4le\u017eit\u00e9. Prestali vypad\u00e1va\u0165 t\u00ed jednotliv\u00ed \u010dlenovia a odro\u010dova\u0165 sa st\u00e1le \u010falej na nesk\u00f4r a na nesk\u00f4r konania, preto\u017ee nebolo toho, kto by sedel v tom disciplin\u00e1rnom sen\u00e1te. Teraz je to teda inak. Disciplin\u00e1rne sen\u00e1ty s\u00fa pri Najvy\u0161\u0161om spr\u00e1vnom s\u00fade. Pozost\u00e1vaj\u00fa z piatich \u013eud\u00ed, kde traja \u010dlenovia predseda a dvaja \u010dlenovia s\u00fa sudcovia z Najvy\u0161\u0161ieho spr\u00e1vneho s\u00fadu a dvaja \u010dlenovia s\u00fa pr\u00edsediaci a t\u00ed s\u00fa nesudcovia, v pr\u00edpade teda disciplin\u00e1rnych konan\u00ed vo\u010di sudcom. Musia to by\u0165 pr\u00e1vnici, ale nesudcovia. T\u00fdch vol\u00ed s\u00fadna rada na nejak\u00e9 funk\u010dn\u00e9 obdobie troch rokov.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:33:17,863 &#8211;&gt; 00:33:30,303 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>A je e\u0161te tam nejak\u00fd priestor in\u0161titucion\u00e1lny alebo procesn\u00fd, ako sa daj\u00fa tieto konania zneu\u017e\u00edva\u0165? Ke\u010f raz znova pr\u00edde niekto s t\u00fdmto n\u00e1padom tro\u0161ku zastra\u0161ova\u0165 sudcov, daj\u00fa sa aj tie disciplin\u00e1rne sen\u00e1ty zneu\u017ei\u0165?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:33:30,303 &#8211;&gt; 00:33:44,543 [Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>\u0164a\u017eko si to viem predstavi\u0165 v tejto chv\u00edli, preto\u017ee v\u00e4\u010d\u0161inu tam maj\u00fa teda profesion\u00e1lni sudcovia, ktor\u00ed s\u00fa na s\u00fade, na Najvy\u0161\u0161om spr\u00e1vnom s\u00fade. A v z\u00e1sade m\u00e1m d\u00f4veru vo\u010di t\u00fdm sudcom. To znamen\u00e1, \u017ee by museli sa vymeni\u0165<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:33:44,543 &#8211;&gt; 00:35:16,963 [Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>z\u00e1sadn\u00fdm sp\u00f4sobom osadenstvo Najvy\u0161\u0161ieho spr\u00e1vneho s\u00fadu, \u010do by bol u\u017e pomerne, poviem to tak eufemisticky, netradi\u010dn\u00fd z\u00e1sah. T\u00fdch pr\u00edsediacich, samozrejme, vol\u00ed s\u00fadna rada, \u010di\u017ee t\u00ed, t\u00ed m\u00f4\u017eu by\u0165 treb\u00e1rs zmenen\u00ed, m\u00f4\u017eu by\u0165 na obraz s\u00fadnej rady zvolen\u00ed. Uvid\u00edme, aaa, ak\u00e1 bude s\u00fadna rada, treb\u00e1rs ke\u010f d\u00f4jde k \u010fal\u0161\u00edm v\u00fdmen\u00e1m. Ale, ale s\u00fa len dvaja t\u00ed pr\u00edsediaci. \u010ci\u017ee samotn\u00e9 disciplin\u00e1rne konanie je teraz si mysl\u00edm, ove\u013ea \u0165a\u017e\u0161ie zneu\u017eite\u013en\u00e9, ako bolo v minulosti samotn\u00fd proces, ale samozrejme, u\u017e len to, \u017ee na niekoho je dan\u00fd n\u00e1vrh na disciplin\u00e1rne konanie, tak pre mnoh\u00fdch \u013eud\u00ed u\u017e toto je ve\u013emi ve\u013ek\u00fdm z\u00e1sahom do ich osobn\u00e9ho aj profesion\u00e1lneho \u017eivota. Tak\u017ee podanie n\u00e1vrhu na disciplin\u00e1rne konanie je tie\u017e sp\u00f4sob, ak\u00fdm sa d\u00e1 vynucova\u0165 poslu\u0161nos\u0165. Lebo teda to, to sme za\u017eili, to sme videli, \u017ee tie disciplin\u00e1rne konania \u010dasto sl\u00fa\u017eili aj na to, aby povedali ostatn\u00fdm sudcom: &#8222;Nevystrkujte ro\u017eky, po\u010fte pekne v l\u00ednii a v \u0161\u00edku, lebo si v\u00e1s za\u010dneme v\u0161\u00edma\u0165.&#8220; A disciplin\u00e1rne konanie je v\u00fdborn\u00fd prostriedok na to, ako v\u00e1s vieme dosta\u0165 nasp\u00e4\u0165 do ko\u013eaj\u00ed, do ktor\u00fdch chceme. Ale dobrou spr\u00e1vou je, \u017ee dneska u\u017e to teda tak\u00e9 jednoduch\u00e9 nie je. Presne tak. Presne tak. Preto si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee to, ako je v s\u00fa\u010dasnosti upraven\u00fd syst\u00e9m disciplin\u00e1rnych konan\u00ed vo\u010di sudcom, ale aj vo\u010di exek\u00fatorom, prokur\u00e1torom a not\u00e1rom, si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee patr\u00ed k t\u00fdm najspravodlivej\u0161\u00edm tak, ako m\u00f4\u017ee by\u0165 v krajine uroben\u00e9 alebo upraven\u00e9 disciplin\u00e1rne konanie.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:35:16,963 &#8211;&gt; 00:35:22,183 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>\u010celili ste niekedy aj vy nejakej \u0161ikane za to, ak\u00e9 pr\u00edpady ste rie\u0161ili a zastupovali?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:35:22,183 &#8211;&gt; 00:35:38,183 [Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Nestretla som sa s nie\u010d\u00edm tak\u00fdm, ako treb\u00e1rs sa \u010dasto stret\u00e1vaj\u00fa aj mnoh\u00ed novin\u00e1ri alebo verejne akt\u00edvni \u013eudia v s\u00fa\u010dasnosti, \u017ee im p\u00ed\u0161u nejak\u00e9 hejty \u013eudia a podobne. Alebo niekto po nich vykrikuje na ulici a tak. \u010ci\u017ee ja som sa s t\u00fdm na\u0161\u0165astie nestretla zatia\u013e.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:35:38,183 &#8211;&gt; 00:35:44,643 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Ani \u017ee by nejak\u00ed verejn\u00ed \u010dinn\u00ed funkcion\u00e1ri v\u00e1s komentovali? Lebo mne sa zd\u00e1, \u017ee som nie\u010do zachytila-<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:35:44,643 &#8211;&gt; 00:35:52,063 [Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>\u0160tefan Harabin ma dakedy komentoval v nejakej s\u00favislosti, ale prizn\u00e1m sa, \u017ee to ani neberiem ako zastra\u0161ovanie.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:35:52,063 &#8211;&gt; 00:35:55,423 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Lebo to ma niekedy napadne, \u017ee kto pom\u00e1ha t\u00fdm pom\u00e1haj\u00facim profesi\u00e1m?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:35:55,423 &#8211;&gt; 00:35:56,383 [Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Mhm.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:35:56,383 &#8211;&gt; 00:36:01,783 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>T\u00fdm pr\u00e1vnym z\u00e1stupcom v t\u00fdchto kauz\u00e1ch, ktor\u00ed tie\u017e s\u00fa vlastne v tej prvej l\u00ednii.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:36:01,783 &#8211;&gt; 00:36:17,923 [Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Znovu hovor\u00edm, \u017ee treba si budova\u0165 spolo\u010denstv\u00e1. To je m\u00f4j liek asi na v\u0161etko. V pr\u00edpade, ak \u010dlovek m\u00e1 \u010deli\u0165 nejak\u00e9mu ve\u013ek\u00e9mu tlaku spolo\u010dnosti a ke\u010f hovor\u00edm o spolo\u010denstv\u00e1ch, tak jednak tie rodinn\u00e9, samozrejme, ale aj spolo\u010denstv\u00e1 profesijn\u00e9, s priate\u013eou a podobne. Proste nezosta\u0165 s\u00e1m.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:36:17,923 &#8211;&gt; 00:36:26,403 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Je dnes \u013eah\u0161ie pre advok\u00e1tov, ktor\u00ed zastupuj\u00fa na s\u00fadoch v\u00fdsudku d\u00f4verou, ke\u010f\u017ee u\u017e existuje aj teda legislat\u00edva, n\u00e1\u0161 z\u00e1kon, \u017ee to pre advok\u00e1tov nie\u010dom jednoduch\u0161ie?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:36:26,403 &#8211;&gt; 00:36:52,295 [Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Mysl\u00edm si, \u017ee pre advok\u00e1tov to jednoduch\u0161ie nie je. Je to jeden zo sp\u00f4sobov procesnej obrany, ktor\u00fd m\u00f4\u017eu vyu\u017ei\u0165-Aa, je to jednoduch\u0161ie pre t\u00fdch \u013eud\u00ed, alebo teda ani, ani jednoduch\u0161ie by som nepou\u017eila. Sk\u00f4r \u017ee pom\u00e1ha to t\u00fdm \u013eu\u010fom lep\u0161ie sa br\u00e1ni\u0165. Jednoduch\u00e9 to nie je, ale teda je to jeden z prostriedkov, ktor\u00fd m\u00f4\u017eu aj advok\u00e1ti vyu\u017e\u00edva\u0165. Tak\u017ee z tohto h\u013eadiska je to, je to u\u017eito\u010dn\u00e9 by som povedala. U\u017eito\u010dnej\u0161ie, ako keby to nebolo.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:36:52,295 &#8211;&gt; 00:37:12,095 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Na z\u00e1ver. Napad\u00e1 v\u00e1s e\u0161te nie\u010do, \u010do by sme mohli poradi\u0165 \u013eu\u010fom, ktor\u00ed sa rozhoduj\u00fa, \u010di sa ozva\u0165 alebo neozva\u0165? Vy ste to u\u017e spomenuli od podpory rodiny, cez budovanie si spolo\u010denstiev, nezosta\u0165 v tom s\u00e1m, hovori\u0165 o t\u00fdch veciach. Pr\u00edpadne m\u00f4\u017eete to aj tro\u0161ku osobnej\u0161ie po\u0148a\u0165, \u017ee \u010do pom\u00e1ha v\u00e1m zotrv\u00e1va\u0165 v tomto boji s vetern\u00fdmi mlynmi.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:37:12,095 &#8211;&gt; 00:37:27,196 [Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Ke\u010f za\u010dnem sebou, tak ja m\u00e1m pocit, \u017ee na\u0161e miesto na svete, na Zemi, tu kde \u017eijem, je, je na to, aby som sa sna\u017eila nie\u010do dobre urobi\u0165 pre spolo\u010dnos\u0165. Hej, zas, zase to znie hrozne pateticky, ale<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:37:27,196 &#8211;&gt; 00:37:27,715 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>V\u00f4bec nie.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:37:27,715 &#8211;&gt; 00:37:48,856 [Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Nejak\u00fdm tak\u00fdmto sp\u00f4sobom to vn\u00edmam, \u017ee, \u017ee sme tu na to, aby sme vn\u00edmali nielen svoje potreby, ale aj aby sme vn\u00edmali aj \u0161ir\u0161ie okolie a sna\u017eili sa proste nie\u010do dobre urobi\u0165, uhm, prinies\u0165 nejak\u00e9 dobro do spolo\u010dnosti a mysl\u00edm si, \u017ee to je vlastne aj zmysel \u017eivota, \u017ee pre-to sme tu, hej?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:37:48,856 &#8211;&gt; 00:38:03,275 [Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>A teda ke\u010f by som mala nie\u010do odk\u00e1za\u0165, tak sa mi zd\u00e1, \u017ee, \u017ee ak je, ak je lep\u0161ie \u013eu\u010fom okolo n\u00e1s, tak potom je lep\u0161ie aj n\u00e1m sam\u00fdm. Tak preto si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee je celkom dobre, ke\u010f si \u013eudia v\u0161\u00edmaj\u00fa to okolie a sna\u017eia sa ho zlep\u0161i\u0165.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:38:03,275 &#8211;&gt; 00:38:15,335 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>A to je pani Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1, ktor\u00e1 prijala pozvanie do podcastu Neuml\u010dan\u00ed. Ja V\u00e1m ve\u013emi pekne \u010fakujem. Ve\u013emi si v\u00e1\u017eim aj Va\u0161u pr\u00e1cu a aj to, ako dlh\u00e9 roky konzistentne podporujete \u013eud\u00ed, ktor\u00ed s\u00fa v men\u0161ine.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:38:15,335 &#8211;&gt; 00:38:18,575 [Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>\u010eakujem za pozvanie.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:38:18,575 &#8211;&gt; 00:38:36,456 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Po\u010d\u00favali ste podcast Neuml\u010dan\u00ed, ktor\u00fd pre v\u00e1s vytv\u00e1ra \u00darad na ochranu oznamovate\u013eov v produkcii Den\u00edka Sme. Ak n\u00e1m chcete ozn\u00e1mi\u0165 korupciu alebo in\u00e9 poru\u0161ovanie z\u00e1konov, o ktorom ste sa dozvedeli v pr\u00e1ci a ktor\u00e9 maj\u00fa dopad na verejn\u00fd z\u00e1ujem, nap\u00ed\u0161te n\u00e1m na neumlcani@oznamovatelia.sk. Lebo st\u00e1le plat\u00ed Neml\u010da\u0165 je zlato.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:38:47,976 &#8211;&gt; 00:39:17,655 [Reklama]<\/strong><\/p><p>Nem\u00e1te \u010das h\u013eada\u0165 spr\u00e1vy na r\u00f4znych \u0161portov\u00fdch weboch, ale chcete ka\u017ed\u00fd de\u0148 vedie\u0165, \u010do d\u00f4le\u017eit\u00e9 sa v \u0161portovom svete odohralo? Potom sme tu pre v\u00e1s. Ka\u017ed\u00e9 r\u00e1no si cestou do \u0161koly, do pr\u00e1ce alebo len k rannej k\u00e1ve pustite podcast Sportnet noviniek, rann\u00fd \u0161portov\u00fd podcast port\u00e1lu Sportnet.sk. Namixujeme v \u0148om v\u0161etko podstatn\u00e9, \u010do sa za uplynul\u00e9 hodiny stalo na svetovej i dom\u00e1cej \u0161portovej sc\u00e9ne. Najd\u00f4le\u017eitej\u0161ie udalosti z futbalu, hokeja, tenisu, ly\u017eovania \u010di basketbalu a \u010fal\u0161\u00edch \u0161portov.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Oznamovate\u013eov, tzv. whistleblowerov, nevyhnutne potrebujeme. Napriek vlastn\u00e9mu nepohodliu n\u00e1m ukazuj\u00fa, \u017ee veci sa daj\u00fa meni\u0165 a\u00a0\u017ee je potrebn\u00e9 sa vzoprie\u0165, ak nie\u010do nefunguje ako m\u00e1, hovor\u00ed v\u00a0najnov\u0161ej epiz\u00f3de podcastu Neuml\u010dan\u00ed pr\u00e1vna expertka Eva Kov\u00e1\u010dechov\u00e1.Cel\u00fa svoju kari\u00e9ru zasv\u00e4tila pr\u00e1vu vo verejnom z\u00e1ujme. Zastupovala viacer\u00e9 osobnosti, ktor\u00e9 z\u00edskali ocenenie Biela vrana za odv\u00e1\u017eny ob\u010diansky \u010din. 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