{"id":4449,"date":"2024-02-01T14:30:00","date_gmt":"2024-02-01T13:30:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/10.0.3.10\/?p=4449"},"modified":"2025-05-23T11:32:33","modified_gmt":"2025-05-23T09:32:33","slug":"nemas-na-to-zaludok-vypi-si-radil-nadriadeny-oznamovatelovi-z-kauzy-slovenskeho-predsednictva","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/10.0.3.7\/en\/nemas-na-to-zaludok-vypi-si-radil-nadriadeny-oznamovatelovi-z-kauzy-slovenskeho-predsednictva\/","title":{"rendered":"\u201eNem\u00e1\u0161 na to \u017eal\u00fadok? Vypi si,&#8220; radil nadriaden\u00fd oznamovate\u013eovi z kauzy slovensk\u00e9ho predsedn\u00edctva"},"content":{"rendered":"<div data-elementor-type=\"wp-post\" data-elementor-id=\"4449\" class=\"elementor elementor-4449\" data-elementor-post-type=\"post\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-5680e1e elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"5680e1e\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-0609d6b\" data-id=\"0609d6b\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-be11c33 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"be11c33\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tAk na to nem\u00e1\u0161 \u017eal\u00fadok, tak si vypi. Tak znelo absurdn\u00e9 odpor\u00fa\u010danie nadriaden\u00e9ho Pavlovi Szalaiovi, ako sa vyrovna\u0165 s nekal\u00fdmi praktikami pri verejn\u00fdch obstar\u00e1vaniach.\u00a0\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-401bfda elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"401bfda\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tSzalai spolu so Zuzanou Hl\u00e1vkovou v roku 2016 konfrontoval vedenie ministerstva zahrani\u010dn\u00fdch vec\u00ed s podozreniami o predra\u017een\u00fdch z\u00e1kazk\u00e1ch na propag\u00e1ciu slovensk\u00e9ho predsedn\u00edctva. Ide o jednu z najzn\u00e1mej\u0161\u00edch slovensk\u00fdch k\u00e1uz, v ktorej obaja figurovali ako whistlebloweri.\u00a0\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-179a392 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"179a392\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tKe\u010f ich na ministerstve nevypo\u010duli, obr\u00e1tili sa na Transparency International Slovensko, ktor\u00e9 nieko\u013eko mesiacov preverovalo verejn\u00e9 obstar\u00e1vania spojen\u00e9 s predsedn\u00edctvom Slovenska v Rade E\u00da a nakoniec svoje z\u00e1very zverejnilo na tla\u010dovej konferencii.\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-b73823b elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"b73823b\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>Szalai ako b\u00fdval\u00fd novin\u00e1r tu\u0161il, \u010do ich s Hl\u00e1vkovou po medializ\u00e1cii kauzy \u010dak\u00e1. Ob\u00e1val sa, \u017ee bud\u00fa lovenou zverou a neveril, \u017ee pol\u00edcia ich podozrenia pre\u0161etr\u00ed. Nakoniec sa ale rozhodol neml\u010da\u0165. Ani po rokoch to ne\u013eutuje a je presved\u010den\u00fd, \u017ee prim\u00e1rna \u00faloha \u00faradn\u00edka je sl\u00fa\u017ei\u0165 verejnosti, nie len plni\u0165 pokyny nadriaden\u00e9ho.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-b30bc80 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"b30bc80\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>V 11. epiz\u00f3de podcastu Neuml\u010dan\u00ed b\u00fdval\u00fd \u00faradn\u00edk rezortu diplomacie spom\u00edna na prv\u00e9 reakcie kolegov aj nadriaden\u00fdch po tom, \u010do sa ozvali. Prehodnocuje aj vlastn\u00e9 postoje. \u201eDnes by som bol odv\u00e1\u017enej\u0161\u00ed,\u201d hovor\u00ed Szalai.\u00a0<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-63273bc elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"63273bc\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>Ak n\u00e1m chcete posla\u0165 odkaz alebo tip na hos\u0165a, nap\u00ed\u0161te n\u00e1m na \u2060neumlcani@oznamovatelia.sk\u2060.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p>&#8211;<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p>Ak n\u00e1m chcete ozn\u00e1mi\u0165 poru\u0161ovanie z\u00e1konov v pr\u00e1ci, ktor\u00e9 m\u00e1 dopad na verejn\u00fd z\u00e1ujem, nap\u00ed\u0161te n\u00e1m cez n\u00e1\u0161 \u2060formul\u00e1r na oznamovanie protispolo\u010denskej \u010dinnosti\u2060.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-7723591 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"7723591\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<iframe style=\"border-radius:12px\" src=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/embed\/episode\/4zChvqSadtBiRUnBGvJlkN?utm_source=generator\" width=\"100%\" height=\"152\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"\" allow=\"autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; fullscreen; picture-in-picture\" loading=\"lazy\"><\/iframe>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-9dda674 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"9dda674\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-28cd0c0\" data-id=\"28cd0c0\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-28eaf52 elementor-widget elementor-widget-toggle\" data-id=\"28eaf52\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"toggle.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-toggle\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-toggle-item\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div id=\"elementor-tab-title-4291\" class=\"elementor-tab-title\" data-tab=\"1\" role=\"button\" aria-controls=\"elementor-tab-content-4291\" aria-expanded=\"false\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"elementor-toggle-icon elementor-toggle-icon-left\" aria-hidden=\"true\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"elementor-toggle-icon-closed\"><i class=\"fas fa-caret-right\"><\/i><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"elementor-toggle-icon-opened\"><i class=\"elementor-toggle-icon-opened fas fa-caret-up\"><\/i><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a class=\"elementor-toggle-title\" tabindex=\"0\">Textov\u00fd prepis podcastu<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t<div id=\"elementor-tab-content-4291\" class=\"elementor-tab-content elementor-clearfix\" data-tab=\"1\" role=\"region\" aria-labelledby=\"elementor-tab-title-4291\"><p><strong>00:00:05,940 &#8211;&gt; 00:00:58,699<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1:<\/strong> V roku 2014 sa Pavol Szalay vzdal s\u013eubnej kari\u00e9ry v zahrani\u010d\u00ed, aby sa vr\u00e1til na Slovensko a pomohol s pr\u00edpravou slovensk\u00e9ho predsedn\u00edctva v Rade E\u00da. Na Ministerstve zahrani\u010dn\u00fdch vec\u00ed v\u0161ak pod\u013ea jeho slov narazil na tvrd\u00fa realitu. Verejn\u00e9 obstar\u00e1vania bez s\u00fa\u0165a\u017e\u00ed, predra\u017een\u00e9 z\u00e1kazky a nadriaden\u00ed, ktor\u00ed plnili pokyny zhora, hoci boli nez\u00e1konn\u00e9. S kolegy\u0148ou Zuzanou Hl\u00e1vkovou sa rozhodli, \u017ee o tom nebud\u00fa ml\u010da\u0165, ale upozornia na postupy, ktor\u00e9 pod\u013ea nich poru\u0161ovali princ\u00edpy dobrej spr\u00e1vy verejn\u00fdch zdrojov. Najsk\u00f4r interne, no ke\u010f sa ni\u010d nedialo, posunuli svoje podozrenia Transparency International Slovensko, spolu, s ktor\u00fdm cel\u00fa vec po hlb\u0161om preveren\u00ed medializovali. Po\u010d\u00favate podcast Neuml\u010dan\u00ed, ktor\u00fd v\u00e1m prin\u00e1\u0161a rozhovory so slovensk\u00fdmi whistleblowermi, teda s \u013eu\u010fmi, ktor\u00ed odhalili vo svojej pr\u00e1ci poru\u0161ovanie z\u00e1konov a postavili sa za spr\u00e1vnu vec. Moje meno je Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1 a tento podcast pre v\u00e1s vytv\u00e1ra \u00darad na ochranu oznamovate\u013eov v spolupr\u00e1ci s denn\u00edkom SME.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:00:58,699 &#8211;&gt;00:01:10,959<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1:<\/strong> Dobr\u00fd de\u0148, Pavol. Pred t\u00fdm, ako ste pri\u0161li pracova\u0165 na Ministerstvo zahrani\u010dn\u00fdch vec\u00ed, ste boli novin\u00e1r. \u010co ma motivovalo prejs\u0165 na druh\u00fd breh?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:01:10,959 &#8211;&gt; 00:01:33,539<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Pavol Szalay: <\/strong>Ja som bol novin\u00e1r d\u00e1vnej\u0161ie predt\u00fdm, ako som pri\u0161iel pracova\u0165 na Ministerstve zahrani\u010dn\u00fdch vec\u00ed a medzit\u00fdm som \u0161tudoval a trochu pracoval vo Franc\u00fazsku. Je zauj\u00edmav\u00e9 t\u00e1 metafora prejs\u0165 na druh\u00fd breh. \u00c1no, pre\u0161iel som na druh\u00fd breh, ale t\u00e1 rieka tam st\u00e1le zostala. A t\u00e1 rieka je ten verejn\u00fd z\u00e1ujem. To znamen\u00e1, \u017ee ja ako novin\u00e1r a nesk\u00f4r ako \u0161t\u00e1tny \u00faradn\u00edk som bol motivovan\u00fd pr\u00e1ve t\u00fdm verejn\u00fdm z\u00e1ujmom.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:01:33,539 &#8211;&gt; 00:01:35,539<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1:<\/strong> \u010co bola va\u0161a n\u00e1pl\u0148 pr\u00e1ce?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:01:35,539 &#8211;&gt; 00:02:21,079<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Pavol Szalay:<\/strong> Na Ministerstve zahrani\u010dn\u00fdch vec\u00ed som pracoval pribli\u017ene dva roky a pri\u0161iel som vlastne v \u010dase, ke\u010f ten t\u00edm naozaj sa iba tvoril. Bolo tam p\u00e1r \u013eud\u00ed a ja som bol vlastne prv\u00fd \u010dlovek zodpovedn\u00fd za komunik\u00e1ciu predsedn\u00edctva. A bolo to ve\u013emi d\u00f4le\u017eit\u00e9 pre m\u0148a. Ja som sa dostal na ministerstvo cez norm\u00e1lny konkurz a naozaj som to vn\u00edmal ako pr\u00edle\u017eitos\u0165 posilni\u0165 vieru Slov\u00e1kov, ob\u010danov, ob\u010daniek Slovenskej republiky v Eur\u00f3psku \u00faniu. Som presved\u010den\u00fd Eur\u00f3pan, tak\u017ee naozaj to pre m\u0148a bola \u00fa\u017easn\u00e1 pr\u00edle\u017eitos\u0165, ako keby pracova\u0165 v prospech mojej krajiny, lebo si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee \u010dlenstvo v Eur\u00f3pskej \u00fanii m\u00e1 ve\u013ek\u00fd zmysel a z\u00e1rove\u0148 lep\u0161ie ho vysvetli\u0165 ob\u010danom, ob\u010diankam a z\u00e1rove\u0148 aj pochopi\u0165 ich v\u00fdhrady v takej tej poctivej komunik\u00e1cii.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:02:21,079 &#8211;&gt; 00:02:25,959<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1:<\/strong> A ak\u00ed ste boli kolekt\u00edv? Asi sa to aj po\u010das t\u00fdch dvoch rokoch trochu nejako vyv\u00edjalo a menilo.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:02:25,959 &#8211;&gt; 00:03:21,239<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Pavol Szalay:<\/strong> To bol kolekt\u00edv, ktor\u00fd sa ve\u013emi, ve\u013emi menil a viacer\u00ed sme tam boli. Tak\u00e1 chyba v syst\u00e9me v zmysle, \u017ee ministerstvo a jeho vedenie nemalo sk\u00fasenost\u00ed jednak s t\u00fdm predsedn\u00edctvom, ale jednak vlastne s tak\u00fdmto typom mana\u017ementu \u013eudsk\u00fdch zdrojov. Na za\u010diatku sme boli teda \u00faplne mal\u00ed a mali sme tak\u00e9 ve\u013emi priate\u013esk\u00e9 vz\u0165ahy. Bolo tam ve\u013ea nov\u00fdch \u013eud\u00ed z in\u00fdch oblast\u00ed \u017eivota. A ako sme r\u00e1stli, tak bolo st\u00e1le ve\u013ea nov\u00fdch \u013eud\u00ed, ktor\u00ed pri\u0161li s nad\u0161en\u00edm robi\u0165 to predsedn\u00edctvo. Oni tam nepri\u0161li pre\u017e\u00edva\u0165 a teraz to hovor\u00edm, \u017ee pre\u017e\u00edva\u0165, preto\u017ee prich\u00e1dzali nesk\u00f4r teda aj diplomati, dlhodob\u00ed diplomati, ktor\u00ed boli na\u0161imi, sa st\u00e1vali na\u0161imi nadriaden\u00fdmi. No a pre t\u00fdchto diplomatov pr\u00e1ve ten pobyt v \u00fastred\u00ed, to je tak, ako\u017ee tak\u00fd prechod cez p\u00fa\u0161\u0165, \u017ee to si musia odtrpie\u0165 a s\u00fa za to ve\u013ea ochotn\u00ed obetova\u0165, aby mohli \u00eds\u0165 na to lukrat\u00edvne vyslanie do zahrani\u010dia, z ktor\u00e9ho sa vr\u00e1tili.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:03:21,239 &#8211;&gt; 00:03:28,159<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1:<\/strong> A spomeniete si teda na prv\u00fa situ\u00e1ciu, kedy ste si v\u0161imli, \u017ee pri organiz\u00e1cii slovensk\u00e9ho predsedn\u00edctva nefunguje v\u0161etko, ako m\u00e1?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p>00:03:28,159 &#8211;&gt; 00:04:02,639<\/p><p>Pavol Szalay: No, tieto situ\u00e1cie sa za\u010dali objavova\u0165 s pr\u00edchodom pani Zuzany \u0164ap\u00e1kovej. Viac s \u0148ou spolupracovala Zuzana Hl\u00e1vkov\u00e1 ako ja, ale tam u\u017e naozaj prich\u00e1dzali tak\u00e9 tie tlaky a sa rozbiehali proste tie, tie v\u00fdberov\u00e9 konania pre verejn\u00e9 obstar\u00e1vania. No a pre m\u0148a naozaj od za\u010diatku a\u017e do konca bola, bolo najv\u00e4\u010d\u0161\u00edm probl\u00e9mom to predstavenie loga slovensk\u00e9ho predsedn\u00edctva, ktor\u00e9 pod\u013ea n\u00e1s so Zuzanou st\u00e1lo pribli\u017ene tristo tis\u00edc eur, bolo v\u00fdrazne predra\u017een\u00e9, pri\u010dom to samotn\u00e9 logo a dizajn manu\u00e1l, robotiky mlad\u00fdch \u010dloveka st\u00e1lo to nieko\u013eko tis\u00edc eur.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:04:02,639 &#8211;&gt; 00:04:10,819<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1: <\/strong>A spomeniete si aj na tak\u00fa konkr\u00e9tnu situ\u00e1ciu, v ktorej ste vy boli priamo svedkom, ktor\u00e1 v\u00e1m pri\u0161la, \u017ee, \u017ee toto asi nie je \u00faplne v poriadku-<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:04:10,819 &#8211;&gt; 00:04:47,419<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Pavol Szalay: <\/strong>My sme p\u00f4vodne pl\u00e1novali, teda na tom komunika\u010dnom odbore, \u017ee urob\u00edme tla\u010dov\u00fa konferenciu k predstaveniu loga, hej? \u010ci to sta\u010d\u00ed. No a potom bola porada, na ktorej bola pani \u0164ap\u00e1kov\u00e1 a n\u00e1\u0161 gener\u00e1lny riadite\u013e, na ktorej ja som nebol a minister a tak \u010falej. A tam sa vecne rozhodlo, \u017ee sa, \u017ee to bude ako\u017ee ve\u013ekolep\u00e9. A potom sa, pam\u00e4t\u00e1m si, \u017ee sa vr\u00e1til n\u00e1\u0161 gener\u00e1lny riadite\u013e, ktor\u00fd tie\u017e bol s\u00fa\u010das\u0165ou probl\u00e9mu. To je tak\u00e9 vtipn\u00e9, \u017ee on v minulosti vlastne pa\u0161oval kaktusy, hej? Tak\u017ee tak\u00e9ho \u010dloveka tam dali ako diplomat, pa\u0161oval kaktusy. Tak toto bol gener\u00e1lny riadite\u013e-<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:04:47,419 &#8211;&gt; 00:04:49,359<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1:<\/strong> To sa verejne vedelo? To bola nejak\u00e1 zn\u00e1ma inform\u00e1cia?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:04:49,359 &#8211;&gt; 00:04:52,319<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Pavol Szalay: <\/strong>To sa vedelo, bolo to v m\u00e9di\u00e1ch. To u\u017e je tak\u00e1 star\u00e1-<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:04:52,319 &#8211;&gt; 00:04:53,359<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1:<\/strong> [smiech] Star\u00e1 kauza.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:04:53,359 &#8211;&gt; 00:05:13,919<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Pavol Szalay:<\/strong> -storka. A to bola jeho ve\u013ek\u00e1 z\u00e1\u013euba, kaktusy a v\u00e4\u010d\u0161ia by som povedal ako transparentnos\u0165 predsedn\u00edctva. A on sa vr\u00e1til z tej porady a n\u00e1m proste ozn\u00e1mil, \u017ee bude to takto. Bude to ve\u013ekolep\u00e9. Pani \u0164ap\u00e1kov\u00e1 a p\u00e1n minister to tak chc\u00fa a bodka. A ja som mu povedal, \u017ee ja neviem, \u010di ja m\u00e1m na toto \u017eal\u00fadok. On mi povedal, \u017ee &#8222;Vie\u0161 \u010do? Tak vypisuj a bude\u0161 ma\u0165 na to \u017eal\u00fadok.&#8220;<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:05:13,919 &#8211;&gt; 00:05:31,719<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1:<\/strong> Toto m\u00f4\u017ee e\u0161te niekto vn\u00edma\u0165 ako sk\u00f4r tak\u00e9 rozdielne poh\u013eady na mana\u017eovanie toho predsedn\u00edctva, \u017ee \u010di m\u00e1 by\u0165 nie\u010do ve\u013ekolep\u00e9 v men\u0161om. Ale vy ste n\u00e1m pop\u00edsali aj tak\u00fa situ\u00e1ciu, \u017ee ako sa robil ten prieskum trhu, \u017ee vlastne ste dostali na l\u00edsto\u010dku nejak\u00e9 tri firmy, ktor\u00e9 m\u00e1te oslovi\u0165, alebo teda va\u0161i kolegovia.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:05:31,719 &#8211;&gt; 00:06:33,769<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Pavol Szalay:<\/strong> \u00c1no, ja som sa v tom \u010dase staval tak\u00fdm ved\u00facim oddelenia a proste ja som bol s mojou akoby bud\u00facou podriadenou v kancel\u00e1rii a do\u0161la za nami moja \u0161\u00e9fka a i\u0161la rovno za tou kolegy\u0148ou a dala jej tak\u00fd papierik a tam povedala, \u017ee tuto s\u00fa nejak\u00e9 tri firmy nap\u00edsan\u00e9, to bolo iba perom nap\u00edsan\u00e9, \u017ee ty to oslov\u00ed\u0161 na prieskum trhu, na sprievodn\u00e9 podujatia k predsedn\u00edctvu. Hej to predsedn\u00edctvo, to naozaj, je to viac o t\u00fdch podujatiach v tej&#8230;-hostinskej krajine, v tej predsedn\u00edckej krajine, ako o tom obsahu. A je, to je vlastne jedna obrovsk\u00e1 logistick\u00e1 oper\u00e1cia. A tak\u017ee bol tam tento sprievodn\u00fd program pre diplomatov, ktor\u00ed mali pr\u00eds\u0165 na Slovensko z in\u00fdch kraj\u00edn. No a ja som si vtedy povedal, \u017ee ja nebudem ma\u0165 vlastne n\u00e1stroje, ako \u017ee odola\u0165 t\u00fdmto tlakom a s\u00e1m, ako keby bez podpory tejto mojej nadriadenej, ktor\u00e1 sa spr\u00e1vala \u00faplne opa\u010dne, zabezpe\u010d\u00ed transparentnos\u0165 t\u00fdch obstar\u00e1vanie. Ja som si povedal, \u017ee ke\u010f to neviem robi\u0165, tak mus\u00edm vlastne s t\u00fdm konfrontova\u0165 nadriaden\u00fdch.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:06:33,769 &#8211;&gt; 00:06:35,889<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1:<\/strong> A boli ste jedin\u00fd so Zuzanou Hl\u00e1vkovou?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:06:35,889 &#8211;&gt; 00:07:07,409<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Pavol Szalay: <\/strong>Neboli sme jedin\u00ed. Bol tam e\u0161te tret\u00ed \u010dlovek. V tom \u010dase hej, lebo nesk\u00f4r e\u0161te pri\u0161iel tret\u00ed whistleblower, ale to nebol on. Bol tam teda v tom \u010dase tret\u00ed \u010dlovek, bol pr\u00e1vnik a ve\u013emi dobre vedel, \u017ee tie postupy nie s\u00fa v\u0161etky z\u00e1konn\u00e9. A pam\u00e4t\u00e1m si, ako sme sa raz stretli na nejakom \u00faplne hornom poschod\u00ed ministerstva v tej novej budove na Pra\u017eskej, ktor\u00e1 pr\u00e1ve bola otvoren\u00e1 a neboli tam e\u0161te, nebola e\u0161te v tom poschod\u00ed obsaden\u00e1. Tam sme sa museli stretn\u00fa\u0165, aby sme mali mohli, ako\u017ee kv\u00e1zi v pokoji sa porozpr\u00e1va\u0165-<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:07:07,409 &#8211;&gt; 00:07:07,449<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1:<\/strong> A otvorenie.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:07:07,449 &#8211;&gt; 00:07:38,190<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Pavol Szalay:<\/strong> -a by n\u00e1s nikto nepo\u010d\u00faval a otvorenie. A tam sme v t\u00fdch rozhovoroch s n\u00edm sme, lebo ani jeden z n\u00e1s nebol pr\u00e1vnik, sme pochopili, \u017ee je to nez\u00e1konn\u00e9. On n\u00e1m to potvrdzoval a vlastne hovoril n\u00e1m, \u017ee teda on ide do toho s nami, teda vytvor\u00ed ten tlak na vedenie a da\u0165 na st\u00f4l v\u00fdpove\u010f, ale nakoniec teda on si to rozmyslel. \u0164a\u017eko poveda\u0165, pre\u010do, nevid\u00edm do jeho hlavy a vlastne odvtedy sme sa nestretli. Ur\u010dite to bol ale mix, teda strachu z odchodu a nejakej ponuky zosta\u0165.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:07:38,190 &#8211;&gt; 00:07:43,569<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1:<\/strong> Ak\u00e1 bola reakcia nadriaden\u00fdch, ke\u010f ste ich konfrontovali s t\u00fdmi postupmi a \u017ee s t\u00fdm nie ste v poriadku?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:07:43,569 &#8211;&gt; 00:08:21,329<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Pavol Szalay: <\/strong>T\u00e1 reakcia bola ve\u013emi letargick\u00e1. V podstate viete, my v\u00e1s ch\u00e1peme, ale t\u00fdm nevieme ni\u010d robi\u0165. Teraz hovor\u00edm o riadite\u013eke a gener\u00e1lnom riadite\u013eovi. A teda bu\u010f to budete robi\u0165 takto, ako v\u00e1m to hovor\u00edme, alebo sa budeme musie\u0165 rozl\u00fa\u010di\u0165. Tak\u017ee vlastne n\u00e1s postavili pred t\u00fato dilemu a s odstupom \u010dasu naozaj si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee sa oni t\u00ed \u013eudia stra\u0161ne podce\u0148ovali, \u017ee, \u017ee mi to je \u013e\u00fato, \u017ee tak m\u00e1lo si o sebe mysleli, \u017ee, a \u017ee t\u00e1 ich moc bola tak\u00e1 mal\u00e1 vzh\u013eadom na t\u00fa zodpovednos\u0165, ktor\u00fa mali. Pr\u00e1ve, \u017ee si to nemysl\u00edm a \u017ee mohli to viac ovplyvni\u0165-<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:08:21,329 &#8211;&gt; 00:08:24,209<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1: <\/strong>A v tom \u010dase v\u00e1s prekvapila ich reakcia?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:08:24,209 &#8211;&gt; 00:08:48,209<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Pavol Szalay:<\/strong> Nie, neprekvapila ma. My sme to plus m\u00ednus o\u010dak\u00e1vali. My sme jednoducho neuva\u017eovali ako oni, to sme vedeli dlhodobo. Proste boli sme s Zuzanou nejakou chybou v syst\u00e9me, ktor\u00ed sme s nad\u0161en\u00edm pri\u0161li, ako tam pracova\u0165 pre na\u0161u krajinu, pre predsedn\u00edctvo a pre nich to bol pr\u00e1ve ten prechod p\u00fa\u0161\u0165ou a proste boli, boli pripraven\u00ed robi\u0165 stra\u0161ne ve\u013ea kompromisov, aby potom mohli \u00eds\u0165 na tie ve\u013evyslaneck\u00e9 miesta, na ktor\u00e9 potom aj i\u0161li.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:08:48,209 &#8211;&gt; 00:08:53,729<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1:<\/strong> Teda t\u00fdm z\u00e1kladn\u00fdm alebo p\u00f4vodn\u00fdm cie\u013eom \u00eds\u0165 za nimi bolo, bolo \u010do? \u010co ste si od toho s\u013eubovali?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:08:53,729 &#8211;&gt; 00:09:38,369<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Pavol Szalay:<\/strong> Ako ur\u010dite v prvom rade proste, \u017ee ja sa nechcem podie\u013ea\u0165 na korupcii. To platilo pre m\u0148a a pre Zuzanu. V mojom pr\u00edpade to bolo o tom, \u017ee ke\u010f\u017ee som tam bol dva roky a bol som tam jedn\u00fdm z najseniornej\u0161\u00edch zamestnancov, tak som d\u00fafal, \u017ee t\u00e1 moja v\u00fdpove\u010f bude tak\u00fdm zrnie\u010dkom piesku v tom stroji a \u017ee sa aspo\u0148 trochu zasekne, \u017ee tro\u0161ku budem ako sabotova\u0165 tie nekal\u00e9 praktiky. A na druhej strane to s t\u00fdm s\u00favis\u00ed, som chcel aj vysla\u0165 sign\u00e1l kolegom, ktor\u00ed tam zost\u00e1vaj\u00fa, \u017ee my sme to naozaj mysleli v\u00e1\u017ene, lebo ve\u013ea \u013eud\u00ed si myslelo, \u017ee my to nemysl\u00edme v\u00e1\u017ene s tou v\u00fdpove\u010fou a \u017ee boli, oni boli prekvapen\u00ed, \u017ee sme ju dali a chceli sme im uk\u00e1za\u0165, \u017ee, \u017ee hej, \u017ee to naozaj je na v\u00fdpove\u010f a \u017ee nasledujte n\u00e1s.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:09:38,369 &#8211;&gt; 00:09:47,869<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1:<\/strong> To som sa presne ja chcela op\u00fdta\u0165, \u017ee ak\u00e1 bola ich teda bezprostredn\u00e1 reakcia kolegov, ke\u010f sa dozvedeli, \u017ee v podstate tu reakciu ste dostali, \u017ee ak sa v\u00e1m nep\u00e1\u010di od\u00ed\u010fte.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:09:47,869 &#8211;&gt; 00:10:15,709<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Pavol Szalay:<\/strong> Ja som na tom ministerstve pochopil, \u017ee naozaj ve\u013emi ve\u013ea \u013eud\u00ed, mo\u017eno v\u00e4\u010d\u0161ina v spolo\u010dnosti, s\u00fa konformisti. To znamen\u00e1, \u017ee oni v\u00e1m na tej chodbe povedia, \u017ee no, tak \u00faplne v\u00e1s ch\u00e1peme a je to tak\u00e9 vzne\u0161en\u00e9, \u010do rob\u00edte? A dokonca aj niektor\u00ed z t\u00fdch nadriaden\u00fdch. Ale ur\u010dite do istej miery boli \u0161okovan\u00ed, \u017ee sme odi\u0161li, ale ako\u017ee jednoducho oni, oni nenabrali t\u00fa silu.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:10:15,709 &#8211;&gt; 00:10:18,469<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1<\/strong>: A v\u00e1m vysvetlili, pre\u010do nenabrali t\u00fa silu?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:10:18,469 &#8211;&gt; 00:10:49,749<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Pavol Szalay:<\/strong> My sme sa potom s nimi u\u017e nerozpr\u00e1vali. U t\u00fdch vy\u0161\u0161ie postaven\u00fdch som to vysvetlil, pre\u010do nie a u t\u00fdch ni\u017e\u0161ie postaven\u00fdch, my sme sa s nimi nestret\u00e1vali. My sme ich dokonca chr\u00e1nili, lebo ako som vravel, ja som nerobil priamo na tej z\u00e1kazke na predstavenie loga predsedn\u00edctva a my sme nikdy priamo nepovedali, nedali sme tie men\u00e1 verejnosti, \u017ee kto to robil ak novin\u00e1rom a \u017ee kto o tom vie najviac. Ale mysl\u00edm si, \u017ee z ich strany pr\u00e1ve oni n\u00e1m to zazlievali, \u017ee my sme ich vlastne ako \u017ee<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:10:49,749 &#8211;&gt; 00:10:50,889<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Pavol Szalay: <\/strong>udali, hej?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:10:50,889 &#8211;&gt; 00:11:08,109<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1<\/strong>: A vy ste aj spom\u00ednali pred nat\u00e1\u010dan\u00edm tohto podcastu, \u017ee ste po tej v\u00fdpovedi boli dos\u0165 znechuten\u00ed a \u017ee u\u017e ste nemali nejak\u00fa chu\u0165 sa tejto kauze venova\u0165. Ale potom ste zmenili n\u00e1zor a obr\u00e1tili ste sa so Zuzanou na Transparency International. Tak m\u0148a by zauj\u00edmalo, \u017ee \u010do zmenilo v\u00e1\u0161 postoj?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:11:08,109 &#8211;&gt; 00:13:20,139<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Pavol Szalay:<\/strong> Hej, my sme so Zuzanou po odchode rie\u0161ili tak\u00e9 \u010disto praktick\u00e9 veci a my sme proste do poslednej chv\u00edle tam zost\u00e1vali po ve\u010deroch a pracovali a odovzd\u00e1vali agendu a do\u0165ahovali veci, \u010do bolo fajn. A to mus\u00edm poveda\u0165, \u017ee kopec vec\u00ed na tom predsedn\u00edctve bolo dobr\u00fdch, bolo dobre spraven\u00fdch, tam bolo stra\u0161ne ve\u013ea verejn\u00fdch obstar\u00e1van\u00ed, boli dobre spraven\u00e9. A ke\u010f sme proste skon\u010dili, my sme zrazu boli v \u00faplnom v\u00e1kuu a nemali sme \u017eiadny pr\u00edjem. Ja som nemal ur\u010dite pr\u00e1vo na podporu v nezamestnanosti a proste sme rie\u0161ili praktick\u00e9 veci. V prvom rade za\u010da\u0165 si h\u013eada\u0165 nov\u00fa pr\u00e1cu a vlastne potom, ke\u010f sme sa tak stabilizovali, by som povedal, obaja sme i\u0161li tro\u0161ku nejakou inou cestou so Zuzanou, tak n\u00e1s to \u010d\u00edm \u010falej t\u00fdm viac mrzelo, \u017ee proste my sme tam dovn\u00fatra za\u0161tekali a karav\u00e1na ide \u010falej. A v mojom \u017eivote sa objavila tak\u00e1 tragick\u00e1 udalos\u0165. Zomrela jedna kamar\u00e1tka tesne po p\u00f4rode u seba doma a&#8230;Zomrela na n\u00e1sledky vlastne zlyhania vn\u00fatorn\u00fdch org\u00e1nov ve\u013emi r\u00fdchlo a to sme sa dozvedeli v janu\u00e1ri. To na\u0161e rozhodnutie o od\u00eds\u0165 u\u017e bolo prijat\u00e9, ale m\u0148a to naozaj v tom tak utvrdilo, preto\u017ee ona zomrela, lebo nedostala&#8230; Jeden z d\u00f4vodov, \u017ee nedostala dostato\u010dn\u00fa zdravotn\u00fa starostlivos\u0165. A ke\u010f sa op\u00fdtate sama seba \u013eud\u00ed na Slovensku, \u017ee pre\u010do nefunguje na\u0161e zdravotn\u00edctvo, tak jedna, jeden z t\u00fdch d\u00f4vodov siln\u00fdch je korupcia. Na m\u0148a to malo ve\u013ek\u00fd vplyv a ja som s touto Zuzanou vlastne bol v takom programe \u0160t\u00fadia v Amerike, ktor\u00fd bol rozbehnut\u00fd z in\u0161pir\u00e1cie b\u00fdval\u00fdch \u010deskoslovensk\u00fdch disidentov. A ja som si povedal, \u017ee to naozaj ja, mne t\u00e1 spolo\u010dnos\u0165 nie\u010do dala. Dala mi skvel\u00e9 vzdelanie a ja teraz jej to mus\u00edm odovzda\u0165 a ja nem\u00f4\u017eem sa podie\u013ea\u0165 na budovan\u00ed tohto korup\u010dn\u00e9ho syst\u00e9mu, ktor\u00fd pr\u00e1ve svoj\u00edm sp\u00f4sobom zabil moju kamar\u00e1tku a urobil sirotu z\u00a0jej narodenej dc\u00e9ry. Tak\u017ee to malo tie\u017e na m\u0148a ve\u013ek\u00fd vplyv. A potom, samozrejme, ke\u010f Zuzana mala nejak\u00e9 in\u00e9 d\u00f4vody, tak sme vlastne sa rozhodli \u00eds\u0165 za tou Transparency a ve\u013ea \u013eud\u00ed n\u00e1m to potom verejne vy\u010d\u00edtalo, \u017ee pre\u010do ste i\u0161li a\u017e po nieko\u013ek\u00fdch mesiacoch a oni nerozumej\u00fa t\u00fdm vn\u00fatorn\u00fdm pochodom vlastne oznamovate\u013ea-<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:13:20,139 &#8211;&gt; 00:13:20,160<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1:<\/strong> Jasne \u017ee.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:13:20,160 &#8211;&gt; 00:13:48,779<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Pavol Szalay: <\/strong>Ktor\u00e9 s\u00fa ve\u013emi, ve\u013emi komplikovan\u00e9 a s\u00fa to pocity, ktor\u00e9 sa bij\u00fa. My sme mali aj pocity, ja som mal aj pocit, \u017ee zr\u00e1dzam svojich b\u00fdval\u00fdch kolegov, \u017ee ja ako b\u00fdval\u00fd novin\u00e1r som si vedel predstavi\u0165 zhruba, ako t\u00e1 medializ\u00e1cia m\u00f4\u017ee vyzera\u0165. A vedel som, \u017ee to predsedn\u00edctvo Z\u0160M dost\u00e1va t\u00fa n\u00e1lepku, \u017ee je skorumpovan\u00e9 a ja som nechcel ako sabotova\u0165 t\u00fa dobr\u00fa pr\u00e1cu, ktor\u00fa b\u00fdval\u00ed kolegovia odviedli. A to bolo ako ve\u013emi&#8230; To boli tak\u00e9 ve\u013emi protichodn\u00e9 pocity, s ktor\u00fdmi sme sa museli vyrovna\u0165. Potrebovali sme na to \u010das.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:13:48,779 &#8211;&gt; 00:13:54,459<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1:<\/strong> \u010co prev\u00e1\u017eilo, \u017ee potom v nejakom momente ste to museli rozsekn\u00fa\u0165 u seba vo vn\u00fatri?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:13:54,459 &#8211;&gt; 00:15:01,859<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Pavol Szalay:<\/strong> Na tom ministerstve n\u00e1m bola ako hlavn\u00e1 hodnota prezentovan\u00e1 lojalita. A to je t\u00e1 ot\u00e1zka, ktor\u00fa sme si kl\u00e1dli, \u017ee sme loj\u00e1lni. Ja som si nesk\u00f4r uvedomil, \u017ee je rozdiel medzi lojalitou a servilitou. A my vlastne nerob\u00edme slu\u017ebu verejnosti, ak zakr\u00fdvame korupciu. A to bola prv\u00e1 \u00faloha \u00faradn\u00edka, \u00faradn\u00ed\u010dky. To znamen\u00e1 nie by\u0165 serviln\u00fd vo\u010di nadriaden\u00e9mu, vo\u010di ministrovi, ale sl\u00fa\u017ei\u0165 verejnosti. A ja som z\u00e1rove\u0148 si bol vedom\u00fd ako presved\u010den\u00fd Eur\u00f3pan, \u017ee ak na Slovensku je euroskepticizmus, tak jeden z t\u00fdch siln\u00fdch d\u00f4vodov, a to ukazuj\u00fa prieskumy, je korupcia v eurofondoch, teda korupcia spojen\u00e1 nejak\u00fdm sp\u00f4sobom s Eur\u00f3pskou \u00faniou. A teda i\u0161lo to jednoducho proti mojim osobn\u00fdm hodnot\u00e1m, ale aj proti ako\u017ee profesionalite, \u017ee ja som jednoducho chcel dobre robi\u0165 svoju pr\u00e1cu. A potom sme vlastne sa to rozhodli ozn\u00e1mi\u0165 a medializova\u0165, lebo to bolo s\u00fa\u010das\u0165ou tej n\u00e1plne pr\u00e1ce toho b\u00fdval\u00e9ho \u00faradn\u00edka, \u017ee to dobr\u00e9 spravovanie vec\u00ed verejn\u00fdch, ve\u010f o\u00a0to tu ide.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p>00:15:01,859 &#8211;&gt; 00:15:14,140<\/p><p>Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1: Rozumiem. Keby ste teda mali e\u0161te v skratke pop\u00edsa\u0165 tu spolupr\u00e1cu s Transparency International a teda, v ktorom bode ste sa rozhodli pre t\u00fa medializ\u00e1ciu? A potom, pre\u010do vlastne vy ste neboli na tej prvej tla\u010dovke?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:15:14,140 &#8211;&gt; 00:15:51,639<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Pavol Szalay:<\/strong> Za Transparency sme i\u0161li po nieko\u013ek\u00fdch mesiacoch. Z ministerstva sme odi\u0161li vo febru\u00e1ri, za Gabrielom \u0160ipo\u0161om sme i\u0161li niekedy v lete a to nebolo tak\u00e9, \u017ee on n\u00e1m otvoril n\u00e1ru\u010d a povedal: &#8222;Tak super, m\u00f4\u017eeme hodi\u0165 \u0161pinu na Smer.&#8220; On sa na n\u00e1s pozeral tak ako\u017ee s tak\u00fdm zdrav\u00fdm skepticizmom a povedal, \u017ee okey, vy toto tvrd\u00edte. Nem\u00e1te \u017eiadne dokumenty. My sme si \u017eiadne dokumenty nezobrali, lebo sme nepl\u00e1novali to oznamy, ke\u010f sme odch\u00e1dzali, tak my to teraz budeme musie\u0165 preveri\u0165. Tak\u017ee nieko\u013eko \u010fal\u0161\u00edch mesiacov, a\u017e do toho okt\u00f3bra novembra trvalo, k\u00fdm<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:15:51,639 &#8211;&gt; 00:16:36,779<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Pavol Szalay:<\/strong> sme tie veci v spolupr\u00e1ci s Transparency preverovali. Transparency posielala \u017eiadosti o inform\u00e1cie a dokonca stret\u00e1vali sa s niektor\u00fdmi, s predstavite\u013emi t\u00fdch niektor\u00fdch firiem a konfrontovali ich s t\u00fdm. No a vlastne tak\u00fd ten \u00faplne k\u013e\u00fa\u010dov\u00fd moment bol, \u017ee man\u017eelka teda Ma\u0165a Drli\u010dku, \u0161\u00e9fa Vivy musiky, tak jeho man\u017eelka n\u00e1m vlastne potvrdila, \u017ee ona bola platen\u00e1 ministerstvom priamo a teda nie agent\u00farou EUKA, \u010do znamenalo, \u017ee EUKA neurobila to, \u010do mala v n\u00e1plni pr\u00e1ce a \u010do dostala peniaze a \u017ee tie skuto\u010dn\u00e9 n\u00e1klady boli vy\u0161\u0161ie, ako boli uveden\u00e9 proste v centr\u00e1lnom registri smolu. A e\u0161te k tej medializ\u00e1cii, hej, by som povedal, \u017ee ja som mal<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:16:36,779 &#8211;&gt; 00:17:43,959<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Pavol Szalay: <\/strong>ako\u017ee obavy \u00eds\u0165 do takej \u00faplne plnej medializ\u00e1cie ako b\u00fdval\u00fd novin\u00e1r. Ob\u00e1val som sa, \u017ee my sa staneme takouto lovenou zverou. Neveril som v\u00f4bec pol\u00edci\u00ed, org\u00e1nom \u010dinn\u00fdm v trestnom konan\u00ed. A my sme sa o tom vtedy bavili s Gabrielom \u0160ipo\u0161om a so Zuzanou, \u017ee teda ak\u00e9 s\u00fa tie mo\u017enosti medializ\u00e1cie s cie\u013eom vyvin\u00fa\u0165 tlak na vy\u0161etrovanie na ministerstvo a tam bolo nieko\u013eko mo\u017enost\u00ed. Viete, my sme to mohli, ja viem, \u017ee Transparency nemusela na\u0161e men\u00e1 poveda\u0165, mohli sme to iba da\u0165 ako anonymn\u00e9 svedectva. \u010ealej tam bolo, \u017ee nemuseli sme by\u0165 zas v kontakte s novin\u00e1rmi a priamo komunikova\u0165. T\u00e1 najvy\u0161\u0161ia, \u00faplne najvy\u0161\u0161ia mo\u017enos\u0165 bola, \u017ee urobi\u0165 tla\u010dov\u00fa konferenciu a do tej ja som vlastne nechcel \u00eds\u0165. Zuzana mala viac odvahy, ja som mal v\u00e4\u010d\u0161ie obavy. A potom, vlastne u\u017e \u010falej, po tej prvej tla\u010dovke, e\u0161te v ten de\u0148 mne volali novin\u00e1ri a ono sa to tak aj ro\u0161iri, sa to vedelo, \u017ee tam, \u017ee Zuzana nie je sama a ja som vlastne doplnil to jej svedectvo a nesk\u00f4r som bol aj na t\u00fdch \u010fal\u0161\u00edch tla\u010dov\u00fdch konferenci\u00e1ch a aj v parlamente a tak \u010falej.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:17:43,959 &#8211;&gt; 00:17:47,359<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1:<\/strong> \u010ci\u017ee va\u0161a rola sp\u00e4tne ju hodnot\u00edte ako? Potvrdi\u0165 tieto svedectv\u00e1?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:17:47,933 &#8211;&gt; 00:18:20,833<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Pavol Szalay:<\/strong> \u00c1no, moja \u00faloha sp\u00e4tne bola d\u00f4le\u017eit\u00e1 v tom, \u017ee som potvrdil Zuzanino svedectvo. A viete, \u013eudia maj\u00fa tendenciu veri\u0165 nie\u010domu, ke\u010f viac, ke\u010f to hovoria dva \u013eudia ako jeden. Ja som tam bol navy\u0161e dlh\u0161ie, tak\u017ee mal, bol som ako keby legit\u00edmny hlas a moja druh\u00e1 \u00faloha bola v tom, ako podporova\u0165 Zuzanu. Naozaj to bola t\u00edmov\u00e1 pr\u00e1ca, ako ja, Zuzana, Transparency, nie v tomto porad\u00ed. A t\u00e1 mor\u00e1lna a praktick\u00e1 podpora bola pre ka\u017ed\u00e9ho z n\u00e1s ve\u013emi d\u00f4le\u017eit\u00e1.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:18:20,833 &#8211;&gt; 00:18:41,173<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1:<\/strong> To m\u00f4\u017eem potvrdi\u0165 aj za \u00darad na ochranu oznamovate\u013eov, \u017ee skuto\u010dne nie s\u00fa d\u00f4le\u017eit\u00ed len samotn\u00ed oznamovatelia, ale tie najbli\u017e\u0161\u00ed okruh kolegov, ktor\u00ed ke\u010f sa ich zasadn\u00fa v t\u00fdch k\u013e\u00fa\u010dov\u00fdch momentoch, tak naozaj aj t\u00e1 legitimita toho ozn\u00e1menia st\u00fapa, aj celkom t\u00e1 d\u00f4veryhodnos\u0165. Ak sa m\u00f4\u017eem vr\u00e1ti\u0165 k tomu e\u0161te, \u017ee ak\u00e9 pochybenia sa nakoniec potvrdili?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:18:41,173 &#8211;&gt; 00:18:47,313<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Pavol Szalay:<\/strong> Jednak vtedaj\u0161ia ombudsmanka skon\u0161tatovala poru\u0161enie z\u00e1kona o slobodnom pr\u00edstupe k inform\u00e1ci\u00e1m.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:18:47,313 &#8211;&gt; 00:18:50,073<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1:<\/strong> V s\u00favislosti, ke\u010f ste d\u00e1vali tie info\u017eiadosti na ministerstvo-<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:18:50,073 &#8211;&gt; 00:19:25,613<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Pavol Szalay: <\/strong>\u00c1no, ke\u010f sme d\u00e1vali tie info\u017eiadosti. E\u0161te st\u00e1le je na s\u00fade jeden spor o jednu z t\u00fdch info\u017eiadost\u00ed. V in\u00fdch veciach, v in\u00fdch info\u017eiadostiach sudy rozhodli. Dostalo sa to a\u017e na \u00dastavn\u00fd s\u00fad, ktor\u00fd skon\u0161tatoval a to je mo\u017eno d\u00f4le\u017eit\u00fd judik\u00e1t, \u017ee nie je mo\u017en\u00e9 tak dlho \u010daka\u0165 na inform\u00e1cie, aj \u017ee vlastne sudy nerozhodovali. Ministerstvo sa st\u00e1le odvol\u00e1valo a odvol\u00e1valo sa aj, aj po roku 2020. Mo\u017eno sa k tomu e\u0161te dostaneme. A nakoniec to skon\u010dilo tak, teda tie info\u017eiadosti, to len pozn\u00e1mka pod \u010diarou, \u017ee ministerstvo povedalo, \u017ee tie inform\u00e1cie jednoducho nem\u00e1.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:19:25,613 &#8211;&gt; 00:19:31,233<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1:<\/strong> \u010ci\u017ee ministerstvo odmietlo, ako keby odpoveda\u0165 na tie priame ot\u00e1zky a da\u0165 nejak\u00e9 materi\u00e1ly?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:19:31,233 &#8211;&gt; 00:20:23,813<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Pavol Szalay:<\/strong> Oni, oni, oni nejak\u00e9 materi\u00e1ly dali e\u0161te, ke\u010f t\u00e1 kauza bola hor\u00faca a bolo to tak\u00e9 polovi\u010dat\u00e9 a ne\u00fapln\u00e9 a proste my sme ve\u013emi pr\u00e1cne sa dopracovali k mnoh\u00fdm inform\u00e1ci\u00e1m, ale aj e\u0161te chcem poveda\u0165, \u017ee, \u017ee Najvy\u0161\u0161\u00ed kontroln\u00fd \u00farad skon\u0161tatoval poru\u0161enie z\u00e1kona a skon\u0161tatoval, \u017ee neboli tie z\u00e1kazky hospod\u00e1rne a transparentn\u00e9 a \u017ee niektor\u00e9 zmluvy boli uzatv\u00e1ran\u00e9 \u00fastne na nieko\u013eko tis\u00edc eur, \u00fastna zmluva \u0161t\u00e1tnej spr\u00e1ve. A pr\u00e1ve tohto sa t\u00fdka t\u00e1 info\u017eiados\u0165, ktor\u00e1 st\u00e1le nie je dorie\u0161en\u00e1. Teda boli tam nejak\u00e9 \u00faspechy v t\u00fdch in\u0161tit\u00faci\u00e1ch. Ur\u010dite to je menej, ako sme chceli. Z\u00edskali sme na na\u0161u stranu verejnos\u0165, ale my st\u00e1le nevieme dodnes, \u017ee kam vlastne tie peniaze i\u0161li, \u017ee kam i\u0161li tie peniaze z EUKI, ke\u010f ich nepou\u017eila na to, na \u010do sa zmluvne zaviazala s ministerstvom.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:20:23,813 &#8211;&gt; 00:20:43,693<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1:<\/strong> A vy ste spom\u00ednali, \u017ee vlastne agent\u00fara EUKA z\u00edskala nejak\u00fd tristo tis\u00edcov\u00fd kontrakt, ale nesk\u00f4r ste teda z Transparency zistili, \u017ee t\u00ed hudobn\u00ed interpreti, ktor\u00ed vystupovali na t\u00fdch podujatiach, tak neboli platen\u00ed cez t\u00fato agent\u00faru, ale e\u0161te navy\u0161e ako keby z ministerstva. \u010ci\u017ee nie je dodnes \u00faplne jasn\u00e9, \u017ee na \u010do boli tie peniaze pou\u017eit\u00e9.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:20:43,693 &#8211;&gt; 00:21:10,533<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Pavol Szalay:<\/strong> Tro\u0161ku to oprav\u00edm, ona mala sto p\u00e4\u0165desiat tis\u00edcov\u00fd kontrakt. My sme tvrdili, \u017ee cel\u00e1 t\u00e1 z\u00e1kazka st\u00e1la tri sto tis\u00edc, preto\u017ee ministerstvo muselo nakoniec plati\u0165 s\u00e1lu, umelcov a tak \u010falej. A \u010do mala robi\u0165 Evka. A presne ten rozdiel, \u017ee kam tie peniaze i\u0161li, st\u00e1le nevieme, ale vieme, \u017ee Evka spolupracovala a \u010fal\u0161ie \u013eudia z \u010fal\u0161\u00edch dod\u00e1vate\u013eov v r\u00e1mci predsedn\u00edctva, ale nem\u00e1me vlastne inform\u00e1cie, \u017ee na \u010do tie peniaze i\u0161li.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:21:10,533 &#8211;&gt; 00:21:13,553<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1:<\/strong> Zaoberala sa touto kauzou aj pol\u00edcia?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:21:13,553 &#8211;&gt; 00:21:26,433<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Pavol Szalay:<\/strong> Pol\u00edcia sa \u0148ou zaoberala, zaoberala sa \u0148ou tak\u00fdm zvl\u00e1\u0161tnym sp\u00f4sobom. My sme boli aj vypoveda\u0165 so Zuzanou na pol\u00edcii a pol\u00edcia, \u017eia\u013e, nakoniec kon\u0161tatovala, \u017ee skutok sa nestal.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:21:26,433 &#8211;&gt; 00:21:30,173<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1:<\/strong> Ako sp\u00e4tne hodnot\u00edte, \u017ee ste sa ozvali? Malo to zmysel?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:21:30,173 &#8211;&gt; 00:21:47,453<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Pavol Szalay: <\/strong>Malo to ve\u013ek\u00fd zmysel. V\u00f4bec to ne\u013eutujem. Naopak, keby som sa v tej situ\u00e1cii v tej istej ocitol znovu, tak i\u0161iel by som do toho s v\u00e4\u010d\u0161ou vervou. Ako som vravel, aj pod\u013ea prieskumu verejnej mienky sa verejnos\u0165 postavila na na\u0161u stranu. Novin\u00e1ri sa tej kauze venovali a bol<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:21:47,453 &#8211;&gt; 00:22:45,873<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Pavol Szalay:<\/strong> to naozaj tak\u00fd n\u00e1ro\u010dn\u00fd obdobie. Viete, to bolo, \u017ee za\u010diatok novej vl\u00e1dy SMERU. Bolo to p\u00e1r rokov pred vra\u017edou Jana Kuciaka, ktor\u00fd mimochodom tie\u017e vlastne Zuzany sa zastal na svojom Facebooku. A tak\u00fd to bol pre tu spolo\u010dnos\u0165, tak\u00fd prechod tou p\u00fa\u0161\u0165ou vtedy, hej, \u017ee, \u017ee naozaj proste Slovensko bolo pova\u017eovan\u00e9 za ve\u013emi skorumpovan\u00fa krajinu a my sme ako\u017ee tam mysl\u00edm si, \u017ee sme tro\u0161ku prispeli k zmene toho syst\u00e9mu. \u010co ma mrz\u00ed je, \u017ee Ministerstvo zahrani\u010dn\u00fdch vec\u00ed aj napriek politickej zmene v roku 2020 zo \u017eiadneho z t\u00fdch poslancov ministrov sa neospravedlnilo verejnosti, nevysvetlilo t\u00fa kauzu a neuk\u00e1zalo, ako tak\u00fdmto situ\u00e1ci\u00e1m bude predch\u00e1dza\u0165, ako m\u00e1 nastaven\u00e9 vn\u00fatorn\u00e9 mechanizmy, aby sa to nezopakovalo. Tak\u017ee neurobil to ani minister Kor\u010dok, ani minister K\u00e1\u010der. Mysl\u00edm si, \u017ee to ministerstvo to dl\u017e\u00ed verejnosti.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:22:45,873 &#8211;&gt; 00:22:49,273<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1:<\/strong> Ako sa vyv\u00edjala va\u0161a kari\u00e9ra po odchode z ministerstva?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:22:49,273 &#8211;&gt; 00:23:56,733<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Pavol Szalay:<\/strong> Vyv\u00edjala sa lep\u0161ie, ako som \u010dakal. Ja som naozaj sa vtedy ob\u00e1val, \u017ee nen\u00e1jdem si pr\u00e1cu. Za\u010dal som pracova\u0165 pre port\u00e1l Euractiv. \u010ealej som sa venoval t\u00fdm, t\u00fdm eur\u00f3pskym veciam. Bol to skvel\u00fd t\u00edm, skvel\u00fd \u0161\u00e9f a nesk\u00f4r a v\u00f4bec to nes\u00faviselo s touto kauzou, oslovili ma Report\u00e9ri bez hran\u00edc. Stal som sa ich slovensk\u00fdm kore\u0161pondentom. Je to t\u00e1 organiz\u00e1cia, ktor\u00e1 br\u00e1ni novin\u00e1rov a slobodu tla\u010de so s\u00eddlom v Par\u00ed\u017ei. A nesk\u00f4r, ke\u010f sa naskytla pr\u00edle\u017eitos\u0165, tak som vlastne za\u010dal pracova\u0165 pre nich v Par\u00ed\u017ei. A teraz m\u00e1m na starosti slobodu tla\u010de v Eur\u00f3pskej \u00fanii a na Balk\u00e1ne. Tak\u017ee ja som spokojn\u00fd, my sme sa so Zuzanou posunuli. Ona m\u00e1 tie\u017e zauj\u00edmav\u00fa pr\u00e1cu v zahrani\u010d\u00ed a takisto bohu\u017eia\u013e, ale v tomto pr\u00edpade sa posunuli kari\u00e9rne aj \u013eudia, ktor\u00ed boli zodpovedn\u00ed za tie z\u00e1kazky. Stali sa z nich ve\u013evyslanci, ve\u013evyslankyne. A to je pr\u00e1ve to, \u017ee ak\u00fd sign\u00e1l to v tej spolo\u010dnosti vysiela. Viete, \u017ee my sme, my sme to v \u00favodzovk\u00e1ch pre\u017eili ako vyslovovali, ale nesta\u010d\u00ed, \u017ee t\u00ed vyslovovali to pre\u017eij\u00fa, ale \u017ee t\u00ed zodpovedn\u00ed s\u00fa potrestan\u00ed. A to sa, to sa nikdy nestalo.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:23:57,300 &#8211;&gt; 00:24:05,639<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1:<\/strong> Ak\u00fd m\u00f4\u017eeme pod\u013ea v\u00e1s vplyv korupcia v krajine na odliv mozgu? Lebo v z\u00e1sade obidvaja \u017eijete v zahrani\u010d\u00ed, \u017ee to je tak\u00e9 zauj\u00edmav\u00e9.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:24:05,639 &#8211;&gt; 00:24:20,319<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Pavol Szalay:<\/strong> Budem \u00faprimn\u00fd a nepoviem, \u017ee som odi\u0161iel zo Slovenska kv\u00f4li korupcii. Chcel som to poveda\u0165 vlastne na za\u010diatku toho podcastu, \u017ee ja som na to ministerstvo i\u0161iel, lebo som bol aj ambici\u00f3zny, chcel som robi\u0165 diplomaciu. Bol to d\u00f4vod, pre\u010do som<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:24:20,319 &#8211;&gt; 00:25:09,359<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Pavol Szalay: <\/strong>sa za\u010dal u\u010di\u0165 po franc\u00fazsky. Tak\u017ee teraz nie som v zahrani\u010d\u00ed, preto\u017ee, \u017ee by sa toto na Slovensku nedalo znie\u0165. Ja sa sem ve\u013emi r\u00e1d vraciam. Samozrejme, ale korupcia, uk\u00e1\u017eu to prieskumy, m\u00e1 obrovsk\u00fd vplyv na odliv mozgov a ja si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee pr\u00e1ve na tom Ministerstve zahrani\u010dn\u00fdch vec\u00ed, tam sa hl\u00e1sia, alebo mali by tam pracova\u0165 tak\u00ed ve\u013emi ako\u017ee rozh\u013eaden\u00ed \u013eudia, ktor\u00ed vedia, ako to funguje aj v in\u00fdch krajin\u00e1ch. A t\u00ed si to mo\u017eno dvakr\u00e1t rozmyslia, \u010di tam p\u00f4jdu po tejto kauze. Viete, korupcia to je proste rakovina. Ona vys\u00e1va z toho tela demokracie, ten \u017eivot a vys\u00e1va aj t\u00fdch mlad\u00fdch talentovan\u00fdch \u013eud\u00ed a vys\u00e1va demokraciu. Ve\u010f ke\u010f sa pozrieme na rebr\u00ed\u010dek Transparency, tak najskorumpovanej\u0161ie krajiny s\u00fa diktat\u00fary, hej.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:25:09,359 &#8211;&gt; 00:25:23,259<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1: <\/strong>Vy si teda spom\u00ednali, \u017ee prich\u00e1dzate tie\u017e st\u00e1le do kontaktu s Ministerstvom zahrani\u010dn\u00fdch vec\u00ed, u\u017e teda z poz\u00edcie report\u00e9ra pre Report\u00e9rov bez hran\u00edc. D\u00e1 sa V\u00e1m, \u017ee s\u00fa dneska t\u00ed \u00faradn\u00edci odv\u00e1\u017enej\u0161\u00ed, \u017ee u\u017e sa oz\u00fdvaj\u00fa, ke\u010f sa deje nie\u010do tak\u00e9to nekal\u00e9? Vn\u00edmate tam nejak\u00fd posun?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:25:23,259 &#8211;&gt; 00:25:52,799<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Pavol Szalay: <\/strong>Mus\u00edm zd\u00f4razni\u0165, plat\u00ed to pre cel\u00fd tento rozhovor, \u017ee nevediem ako z\u00e1stupca Report\u00e9rov bez hran\u00edc, ale ako s\u00fakromn\u00e1 osoba. \u00c1no, spolupracujeme s ministerstvom. Podie\u013eam sa na tom aj ja, preto\u017ee mysl\u00edm si, \u017ee Slovensko m\u00f4\u017ee zohra\u0165 pozit\u00edvnu \u00falohu pre slobodu tla\u010de v Eur\u00f3pe a mysl\u00edm si, \u017ee to pom\u00e1ha aj slobode tla\u010de na Slovensku. Je to teda v z\u00e1ujme mojej krajiny a nerie\u0161im v tej spolupr\u00e1ci v\u00f4bec, som povedal dnes u\u017e tieto osobn\u00e9 veci.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:25:52,799 &#8211;&gt; 00:25:58,879<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1: <\/strong>M\u00f4\u017ee\u0161 nejak\u00fd v\u00e1\u0161 pocit len z toho, ke\u010f sa vr\u00e1tite do toho prostredia, \u010di v\u00e1m to prostredie pr\u00edde od\u013eah\u010duj\u00face.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:25:58,879 &#8211;&gt; 00:26:03,059<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Pavol Szalay:<\/strong> Tam v\u017edy bolo a st\u00e1le je kopec<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p>00:26:03,059 &#8211;&gt; 00:26:40,819<\/p><p>Pavol Szalay: inteligentn\u00fdch kvalitn\u00fdch \u013eud\u00ed a ja pr\u00e1ve neviem, \u017ee ako dovn\u00fatra sa ministerstvo s tou kauzou vysporiadalo. M\u00e1m pocit, \u017ee, \u017ee ve\u013emi nie, ke\u010f\u017ee asi by sme to vedeli, ale aj \u017ee sa to tak proste zamietlo pod koberec ako mnoh\u00ed t\u00ed diplomati, mnoh\u00ed, nie v\u0161etci s\u00fa to zvyknut\u00ed robi\u0165. Ale \u010do chcem poveda\u0165, \u017ee celkovo si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee situ\u00e1cia sa zmenila pre \u00faradn\u00edkov a mysl\u00edm si, \u017ee svojou tro\u0161kou sme k tomu aj my so Zuzanou a s Transparency prispeli. Vytvorila sa tak\u00e1 z\u00e1chrann\u00e1 sie\u0165 Transparency, kde presne sa rie\u0161i, ke\u010f ten \u010dlovek je n\u00faten\u00fd od\u00eds\u0165 z tej poz\u00edcie, \u017ee \u010do bude robi\u0165, hej, \u017ee finan\u010dn\u00e1 pomoc-<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:26:40,819 &#8211;&gt; 00:26:42,959<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1:<\/strong> E\u0161te by som dodala, \u017ee vznikol \u00darad na ochranu oznamovate\u013eov,<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p>00:26:42,959 &#8211;&gt; 00:27:29,999<\/p><p>Pavol Szalay: \u00c1no, chcel som sa k tomu dosta\u0165. Vznikol \u00darad na ochranu oznamovate\u013eov. Funguje. Videl som, \u017ee m\u00e1te z roka na rok viac podnetov. To znamen\u00e1, \u017ee je naozaj atmosf\u00e9ra lep\u0161ia pre oznamovanie korupcie. Jednozna\u010dne k tomu prispela politick\u00e1 zmena v roku 2020. Tieto poslan\u00e9 vl\u00e1dy urobili ve\u013ea pre boj proti korupcii, napriek tomu v\u0161etk\u00e9mu, \u010do m\u00f4\u017eeme im vy\u010d\u00edta\u0165. A z\u00e1rove\u0148 je tak\u00e1, \u00e1no, in\u0161titucion\u00e1lna sie\u0165 st\u00e1le funguj\u00fa mimovl\u00e1dky, m\u00e1me tu vysok\u00fa slobodu tla\u010de, \u010do je \u00faplne nevyhnutn\u00e9 pre boj proti korupcii. A takisto v\u00e1\u0161 \u00farad u\u017e ako \u0161t\u00e1t vlastne podporuje oznamovate\u013eov proti korupcii a ja sa z toho ve\u013emi te\u0161\u00edm a d\u00fafam, \u017ee, \u017ee u\u017e sa nezopakuje aj na ministerstve zahrani\u010dn\u00fdch vec\u00ed, aj na in\u00fdch ministerstv\u00e1ch, t\u00e1 situ\u00e1cia, do ktorej sme sa dostali my.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:27:29,999 &#8211;&gt; 00:27:33,439<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1:<\/strong> Pre\u010do je pod\u013ea v\u00e1s d\u00f4le\u017eit\u00e9 ozva\u0165 sa?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:27:33,439 &#8211;&gt; 00:27:45,379<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Pavol Szalay:<\/strong> Ozva\u0165 sa je spr\u00e1vna vec. V\u00fdslovn\u00fd ako n\u00e1v\u0161teva u zub\u00e1ra. No viete, \u017ee to bude bolie\u0165, \u017ee to bude naozaj nepr\u00edjemn\u00e9, ale viete, \u017ee to mus\u00edte spravi\u0165 a potom sa c\u00edtite lep\u0161ie.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:27:45,379 &#8211;&gt; 00:27:53,599<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1:<\/strong> A \u010do by ste mo\u017eno povedali \u010dloveku, ktor\u00fd teraz v\u00e1ha, \u017ee mo\u017eno tie\u017e sa stretol s nejak\u00fdmi nekal\u00fdmi praktikami, ale teraz v\u00e1ha, \u010di m\u00e1 zmysel sa ozva\u0165?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:27:53,599 &#8211;&gt; 00:29:14,979<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Pavol Szalay: <\/strong>Ako prv\u00fa vec by som povedal, aby h\u013eadal spriaznen\u00e9 du\u0161e. Vravel som to, my sme tie\u017e boli t\u00edm, najsk\u00f4r iba so Zuzanou. Je stra\u0161ne d\u00f4le\u017eit\u00e9 ma\u0165 t\u00fa mor\u00e1lnu podporu. Povedal by som mu, \u017ee je to dnes, mysl\u00edm si, \u017ee tro\u0161ku \u013eah\u0161ie. Ten syst\u00e9m pomoci existuje. Povedal by som, \u017ee, \u017ee t\u00fdm on si mo\u017eno mysl\u00ed, alebo ona si mo\u017eno mysl\u00ed, \u017ee, \u017ee sa nejak\u00e9 dvere zatvoria a sa odstrihn\u00fa od nejak\u00fdch \u013eud\u00ed. Maj\u00fa pocit, \u017ee ich zradili, ale ke\u010f to sprav\u00edte, tak sa stanete akoby s\u00fa\u010das\u0165ou nov\u00e9ho spolo\u010denstva, nejak\u00e9ho spolo\u010denstva hodn\u00f4t a za\u010dnete stret\u00e1va\u0165 \u013eud\u00ed, ktor\u00ed s\u00fa \u00faplne \u00fa\u017easn\u00ed a ktor\u00ed s\u00fa vlastne v novej d\u013a\u017eke. A d\u00e1vam tu nov\u00fdch priate\u013eov, nov\u00e9, nov\u00e9 spriaznen\u00e9 du\u0161e. Ale ch\u00e1pem, je to ve\u013emi \u0165a\u017ek\u00e9 a tam nejde o to, \u010di m\u00e1te rodinu. Nem\u00e1te rodinu, m\u00e1te hypot\u00e9ku, nem\u00e1te hypot\u00e9ku, ale ako ve\u013emi mus\u00edte vyst\u00fapi\u0165 z tej komfortnej z\u00f3ny. Je to stra\u0161ne n\u00e1ro\u010dn\u00e9. A e\u0161te posledn\u00fa vec by som mu alebo jej povedal, \u017ee existuje ve\u013ea sp\u00f4sobov, ako prispie\u0165 k dobrej veci. Nemus\u00ed to by\u0165 tla\u010dov\u00e1 konferencia, nemus\u00ed to by\u0165 ani \u00eds\u0165 za Transparency. Existuj\u00fa r\u00f4zne sp\u00f4soby, r\u00f4zne stupne a ka\u017ed\u00fd to mus\u00ed jednoducho spravi\u0165 pod\u013ea toho, ako to c\u00edti, aby s t\u00fdm bol s\u00e1m stoto\u017enen\u00fd, ale nezosta\u0165 pas\u00edvne.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:29:14,979 &#8211;&gt; 00:29:40,459<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1:<\/strong> Ja by som len doplnila, \u017ee my dokonca podporujeme oznamovate\u013eov, ktor\u00ed sa teda nec\u00edtia na to vyst\u00fapi\u0165 z toho tie\u0148a, aby sa na n\u00e1s obr\u00e1tili anonymne. My sa zapojujeme teda ur\u010dite aj anonymn\u00fdmi podnetmi a vieme v mene oznamovate\u013ea poda\u0165 napr\u00edklad aj trestn\u00e9 ozn\u00e1menie. \u010ci\u017ee dneska nevyhnutne nemus\u00ed \u010dlovek \u00eds\u0165 tak s ko\u017eou na trh, ako to bolo vo va\u0161om pr\u00edpade. \u010eakujem pekne, Pavol, \u017ee ste prijali pozvanie do \u0161tipendia a \u017ee ste sa podelili s nami o v\u00e1\u0161 pr\u00edbeh.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:29:40,459 &#8211;&gt; 00:29:45,939<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Pavol Szalay: <\/strong>\u010eakujem pekne, \u017ee sa zauj\u00edmate o tento pr\u00edpad aj po to\u013ek\u00fdch rokoch.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:29:45,939 &#8211;&gt; 00:30:01,219<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1:<\/strong> Po\u010d\u00favali ste podcast Neuml\u010dan\u00ed, ktor\u00fd pre v\u00e1s vytv\u00e1ra \u00darad na ochranu oznamovate\u013eov v produkcii Denn\u00edka SME. Ak ste sa pri svojej pr\u00e1ci stretli s nekal\u00fdmi praktikami, ktor\u00e9 maj\u00fa dopad na verejn\u00fd z\u00e1ujem, nap\u00ed\u0161te n\u00e1m na neuml\u010dani@oznamovatelia.sk. A pam\u00e4tajte, neml\u010da\u0165 je zlato.<\/p><\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Ak na to nem\u00e1\u0161 \u017eal\u00fadok, tak si vypi. Tak znelo absurdn\u00e9 odpor\u00fa\u010danie nadriaden\u00e9ho Pavlovi Szalaiovi, ako sa vyrovna\u0165 s nekal\u00fdmi praktikami pri verejn\u00fdch obstar\u00e1vaniach.\u00a0Szalai spolu so Zuzanou Hl\u00e1vkovou v roku 2016 konfrontoval vedenie ministerstva zahrani\u010dn\u00fdch vec\u00ed s podozreniami o predra\u017een\u00fdch z\u00e1kazk\u00e1ch na propag\u00e1ciu slovensk\u00e9ho predsedn\u00edctva. 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